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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    They want doctors to ask children about guns in their homes...
    cite for this desire, please.

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    Note that I'm not talking about mentally disturbed people, i'm talking about normal, non-criminal, sane people.
    I note that you are. But the issue seems to be that Obama isn't saying what you're saying he's saying. So no matter what you're talking about, the issue is what Obama talked about.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    You're misreading what it says.
    This is obviously true for several posters.
    That's why they cannot point to the text which supports their assertions--such text does not exist.
    But, what's is fascinating to me is their conduct in light of the absence of evidence for their assertions. Very interesting phenomena imho.
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    MD's are now law enforcement.

    I can't wait until our medical records are public... of course... for the good of the nation.
    Actually, The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) gives the federal government the right to view every American's medical record. Anyone who answers this question with anything other than, "None of your business" is telling the federal government that there are or are not guns in their home.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    cite for this desire, please.

    I note that you are. But the issue seems to be that Obama isn't saying what you're saying he's saying. So no matter what you're talking about, the issue is what Obama talked about.
    I've already cited it. It came from the OP's quotes.
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've already cited it. It came from the OP's quotes.
    The Op quoted the Weekly Standard--not exactly where one goes to find out what Obama actually said...ever,

    Care to underline the relevant language?


    PRESERVE THE RIGHTS OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS TO PROTECT THEIR PATIENTS AND COMMUNITIES FROM GUN VIOLENCE: We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands.


     Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence: Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities. But there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence. The Department of Health and Human Services is issuing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits these reports in any way.


     Protect the rights of health care providers to talk to their patients about gun safety: Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients’ homes and safe storage of those firearms, especially if their patients show signs of certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home. Some have incorrectly claimed that language in the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors from asking their patients about guns and gun safety. Medical groups also continue to fight against state laws attempting to ban doctors from asking these questions. The Administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    So basically your saying that you don't like to be asked questions about statements you make because you just can't stand behind them.
    Try not to be dense. The government has no right to tell me what toilet I may buy. It has no right to tell me what kind of light bulb I can buy. It has no right to tall me what car I can buy. The list of intrusions goes on and on and on.

    Now if you want to step way from the really poor responses we can continue. To wrestle in the mud with a pig makes no sense to me. It is not a productive use of my time.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I would just as soon save myself the trouble and St. Jude's the patients.
    And that is why we always end up with a tyrannical, mediocre government.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    And you think that having a law which explicitly prohibits the govt from collecting this sort of data is a sign that the govt is going to collect this sort of data?

    Isn't there some point, where you go, "Whoah! I am getting a little paranoid,"?

    People who're trying to sell you outrage shouldn't be trusted anymore than any other advertiser.
    I think we are being set up once again. Danger to the individual very nearly always comes from governments.


    The NSA whistle blower from a while back said everyone's email, postings on web sites, really anything that passes through a router is being gathered by the NSA. He quit and went public. Then Gen Petraeus is outed. We had all of his emails. The Gen Allen is outed. We had all of his emails.

    Lo and behold. There is real evidence that everything is being collected.

    And there is real evidence that this government is trying to develop the tools that will allow them to make sense of it in near real time. Those schemes make possible a real Big Brother scenario. And a real police state where the government controls your life in every detail including your medical history, every utterance made in writing..they even want to put black boxes in our cars and our houses. All for our own good, of course.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Try not to be dense. The government has no right to tell me what toilet I may buy. It has no right to tell me what kind of light bulb I can buy. It has no right to tall me what car I can buy. The list of intrusions goes on and on and on.

    Now if you want to step way from the really poor responses we can continue. To wrestle in the mud with a pig makes no sense to me. It is not a productive use of my time.
    All those things that you say the big bad government is telling you not to buy are all still available on the open market. If you want a toilet that uses 4 or 5 gallons of water to flush you can get a new one from Lowes or Home Depot. I don't know why you'd want to waste that much water but you can if you want too. Most of the new luxury cars and trucks come in around 4000lbs, that's 2 tons. I assume you're talking about the old incandescent bulbs, those are a bit harder to find but I'm sure if you really wanted them you could find them somewhere. I just did a quick search and you can still get those bulbs until 2014, so again you're complaining about something that's still on the open market. I know this is the World Nut Daily but it was the first one that came up. Congress bans incandescent bulbs The phase-out of incandescent light is to begin with the 100-watt bulb in 2012 and end in 2014 with the 40-watt.
    So again you're complaining about not being able to buy things that are still on the open market. Don't make sense...
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    They want doctors to ask children about guns in their homes, particularly if the parent that brought them in indicates that there are guns in the home. Do you think that is morally right? Should it be allowed? Note that I'm not talking about mentally disturbed people, i'm talking about normal, non-criminal, sane people.
    I think I've already said that this is ridiculous and should not be followed... and have also said that this was nothing more than a suggestion, not a directive or law.
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