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    Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    I personally will not tell any doctor that I own a firearm. More likely I would say no. It isn't a felony to lie to a doctor, and the information isn't relevant to my health. My GP knows me and knows safety runs in my blood anyway. He would never lecture me on firearms.
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You're over reacting. The ONLY change that I see is that it suggests that doctors routinely ask about guns if there are small children in the house. It's a dumb question... unless there is justification, but there is no law that gives this suggestion any bite. It's a suggestion only. Beyond that, if you read the language of what was in the OP, pretty much everything else is about questioning a patient based on the doctor's assessment of their potential for risk. You and I work in the same field and, I would imagine, do this frequently. In fact, I just did it 30 minutes ago. This has been SOP for a long time and will continue to be.
    With all due respect CC you are a psychologist correct? Isn't it sorta your job to ask questions like that in certain situations? You may be titled a doctor but you are just a doctor of the mind. This thing with Obama includes doctors of the body. Who have no buisness asking that question unless they suspect the person is mentally unstable. And even then they should call in people like you to determine the persons sanity.

    As for asking children. Don't you kind of find that asking that question to children just because the person has children morally dispicable?
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This thing with Obama includes doctors of the body. Who have no buisness asking that question unless they suspect the person is mentally unstable.
    And you think that Drs don't know their business?
    They have had the ability to ask you these sorts of questions all along.
    W/e evil that will come of it has already happened.
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    And you think that Drs don't know their business?
    They have had the ability to ask you these sorts of questions all along.
    W/e evil that will come of it has already happened.
    There is a difference in my eye of the doctors already having this ability and the President of the United States asking them to do it knowing that they can already do it. That to me shows that perhaps, for Obama at least, he is wanting to make it a law that they ask where as right now it is just a "if you think of it or if you think its necessary" general rule.
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is a difference in my eye of the doctors already having this ability and the President of the United States asking them to do it knowing that they can already do it.
    While I can appreciate the difference, it doesn't seem that Obama actually did ask them to do it.
    Further, even if he did, it'd still just be Obama asking, it would have not weight of regulation nor law.


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    Protect the rights of health care providers to talk to their patients about gun safety:
    Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients’ homes and safe storage of those firearms, especially if their patients show signs of certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home.
    Some have incorrectly claimed that language in the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors from asking their patients about guns and gun safety. Medical groups also continue to fight against state laws attempting to ban doctors from asking these questions.
    The Administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms.


    See? No asking Drs anything there.
    So it is still up to Drs to make the determination as to whether or not they wish to ask you about firearms, same as always.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    With all due respect CC you are a psychologist correct? Isn't it sorta your job to ask questions like that in certain situations? You may be titled a doctor but you are just a doctor of the mind. This thing with Obama includes doctors of the body. Who have no buisness asking that question unless they suspect the person is mentally unstable. And even then they should call in people like you to determine the persons sanity.
    Most physicians... if not ALL have had a rotation in psychiatry, so they have at least the basic training in order to assess for harm. And I agree... these kinds of questions should only be asked in situations of risk assessment. Standard situations, they should not.

    As for asking children. Don't you kind of find that asking that question to children just because the person has children morally dispicable?
    I'm not sure that I understand your question. Can you restate it?
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    Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    With all due respect CC you are a psychologist correct? Isn't it sorta your job to ask questions like that in certain situations? You may be titled a doctor but you are just a doctor of the mind. This thing with Obama includes doctors of the body. Who have no buisness asking that question unless they suspect the person is mentally unstable. And even then they should call in people like you to determine the persons sanity.

    As for asking children. Don't you kind of find that asking that question to children just because the person has children morally dispicable?
    What exactly do you mean by "just" a doctor of the mind?

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm not sure that I understand your question. Can you restate it?
    They want doctors to ask children about guns in their homes, particularly if the parent that brought them in indicates that there are guns in the home. Do you think that is morally right? Should it be allowed? Note that I'm not talking about mentally disturbed people, i'm talking about normal, non-criminal, sane people.

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    What exactly do you mean by "just" a doctor of the mind?
    I'm not sure I understand your question. A phsycologist helps mentally disturbed people. That is in essence a "doctor of the mind". Or are you taking offense at the word "just" since you put quotations around it? If so please know that no offense was meant.
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    Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    They want doctors to ask children about guns in their homes, particularly if the parent that brought them in indicates that there are guns in the home. Do you think that is morally right? Should it be allowed? Note that I'm not talking about mentally disturbed people, i'm talking about normal, non-criminal, sane people.



    I'm not sure I understand your question. A phsycologist helps mentally disturbed people. That is in essence a "doctor of the mind". Or are you taking offense at the word "just" since you put quotations around it? If so please know that no offense was meant.
    No offense taken...just seeking clarification. When it comes to matters of the mind, most medical doctors I know defer to 'mind' doctors quick fast and in a hurry.

    I agree that where there is a known or suspected imminent risk it is valid for MDs to ask the question. Otherwise, completely inappropriate.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    MD's are now law enforcement.

    I can't wait until our medical records are public... of course... for the good of the nation.
    You're misreading what it says.

    If a Doctor encounters a patient that he reasonably believes to be dangerous, then that Doctor should know there are no federal laws preventing him from notifying police.

    Why would anyone have a problem with his? I think it should be mandatory -- under certain circumstances, when a doctor encounters someone exhibiting any symptoms indicating a dangerous detachment from reality, then that doctor should immediately notify police -- but this can only be implemented at the state level.

    Why doctors? Sick people come to see doctors, and any doctor, not just a psychiatrist can meet with a patient who might confide in him with dangerous thoughts or delusional ideas.

    If a doctor makes a false report to police, then he would be subject to state law re: make false reports.

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