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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    HOWEVER, since my understanding is that these pediatricians have a part of their exams these days where they ask the parent to step out of the room and ask the child several questions, this could be a problem.
    People seriously do this? I would never leave my kid alone in a room with the doctor. Who knows what's going to happen.
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
     Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence: Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities. But there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence. The Department of Health and Human Services is issuing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits these reports in any way.


     Protect the rights of health care providers to talk to their patients about gun safety: Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patientsí homes and safe storage of those firearms, especially if their patients show signs of certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home. Some have incorrectly claimed that language in the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors from asking their patients about guns and gun safety. Medical groups also continue to fight against state laws attempting to ban doctors from asking these questions. The Administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms.
    I don't really get what the big deal is here. It looks like this isn't changing any laws, just clarifying how things work.

    And doctors already do ask about whether you own guns. I've been asked when I went to see the doctor, and I simply declined to answer. It was fine, no problems at all.

    My wife sees a psychiatrist for depression and grief counseling, and the fact that we own guns was brought up in their first session, because it's relevant to what she's being treated for.
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    People seriously do this? I would never leave my kid alone in a room with the doctor. Who knows what's going to happen.
    I have yet to see this first hand. Never been asked to leave the room during my kids' Dr visits.

    Also, most people are not a threat to your kids. More than 99%+ of the population are not the kind of folks who will try and harm your kid the moment your back is turned.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I have yet to see this first hand. Never been asked to leave the room during my kids' Dr visits.
    That's good to know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Also, most people are not a threat to your kids. More than 99%+ of the population are not the kind of folks who will try and harm your kid the moment your back is turned.
    Well, it's theoretical at the moment, I don't actually have kids yet. I do get where you're coming from though. While most people wouldn't hurt a kid, you can't tell the good ones from the bad ones is the problem. Plus I can't really see a valid reason for asking the parent to leave the room. It would be different if my kid was a teenager and needed to talk to the doctor about something embarrassing.
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is a complete nonsense response. Try following the discussion for once so you know what's being discussed.
    Not nonsense... Goshin was asked... now... is he unstable?
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...of course. Because it says what you want it to say. You ignore the factual reality that WOMEN in this country do NOT use guns as a majority means of committing suicide and you ignore the fact that 5X as many Japanese commit suicide ALL without guns, because you desperately cling to the 'facts' that support your ideology. Its...kinda sad.
    Neither of those facts show that the numbers would be the same if you introduced guns in to the picture. They are completely unrelated to the discussion. As I have said before, I am not arguing that it's impossible to commit suicide without guns. That would be silly. I am arguing that if you account for all other factors, people with guns at home are much more successful at killing themselves. That Japan has alot more suicides does not negate this point, because you have no evidence that the numbers wouldn't be even higher with guns available. If you can provide some evidence, then please do so. Otherwise you are just giving your opinion.

    Also, you keep talking about how I am ignoring your facts. I am dismissing your facts because they are not related to the discussion. You are outright ignoring my study however shows that you won't accept anything, even accurate studies by non-partisan sources, that go against your opinion.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Neither of those facts show that the numbers would be the same if you introduced guns in to the picture. They are completely unrelated to the discussion. As I have said before, I am not arguing that it's impossible to commit suicide without guns. That would be silly. I am arguing that if you account for all other factors, people with guns at home are much more successful at killing themselves. That Japan has alot more suicides does not negate this point, because you have no evidence that the numbers wouldn't be even higher with guns available. If you can provide some evidence, then please do so. Otherwise you are just giving your opinion.

    Also, you keep talking about how I am ignoring your facts. I am dismissing your facts because they are not related to the discussion. You are outright ignoring my study however shows that you won't accept anything, even accurate studies by non-partisan sources, that go against your opinion.
    That completely ignores the psychological reality that women HAVE access to firearms but are less likely to use them. It also ignores the factual reality that the Japanese DEMONSTRATE means is simply NOT RELEVANT. Your position is the same mindless position advanced by those that ignore trends on violence and blame suicide...or violent crime...on 'the evil guns'.

    When people are committed to kill themselves they do. By any means necessary. Japan PROVES how foolish the anti-gun argument is.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Well, it's theoretical at the moment, I don't actually have kids yet. I do get where you're coming from though. While most people wouldn't hurt a kid, you can't tell the good ones from the bad ones is the problem. Plus I can't really see a valid reason for asking the parent to leave the room. It would be different if my kid was a teenager and needed to talk to the doctor about something embarrassing.
    There're certain people which it is just necessary that you trust them. The kids' Dr is one. If you can't trust your kids' Dr to be alone with the kid for a few minutes, then you really needs a new Dr.
    Same with their teachers, babysitters, parents of the kids' friends, etc.
    You just physically can't be with them all the time. So you have to decide to trust some other people in the world with the well-being of your kid from time to time. Almost all the time, it's okay. It's just when it's not okay, the stories make big impacts on us.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Japan PROVES how foolish the anti-gun argument is.
    And the "anti-gun" argument is that "If a Dr's professional opinion is that it's prudent to do so, he should ask about a patient's access to firearms?"

    Is there some reason why we want to micromanage Drs? Have they abused their ability to ask us about our firearms over the last couple of centuries? What harm has come of it?
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    Re: Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    People seriously do this? I would never leave my kid alone in a room with the doctor. Who knows what's going to happen.
    Unfortunately many people do. This friend of mine was that naive. He isn't anymore. He trusted that doctor and now he knows better. I've never trusted most members of the medical profession and this makes me trust them even less.

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