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W.H. Releases Letters from Little Kids Pleading for Gun Control

reich wing whine because Obama brought something to the debate which helps make his case

He neglected to bring any of the millions of kids that were brought up around guns, taught use and safety, that understand bad people do bad things and punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of a few bad people is not right.

So yes, he is using children for political gain. Just as he's using the blood of those that died in the CT shooting for political gain.
 
So you admit, that it's really not about the kids perspective, but that he's merely hamming it up.
So that he can get more support.
if he didn't do such things he should be impeached for incompetence
of course he is going to bring to the debate perspectives that are going to advance his position

are you hamming it up by presenting your position in extant matter? or are you engaging in a debate on the issues

So with all that, should we draft laws, using the opinions of children, rather than logical thought, measured effect or some other way that would make things work better?
it does not hurt to be exposed to the perspective of children
and if they offer valued insights then we factor that into our decision making
if their perspective offers nothing, then it does not advance the debate

seems you want to argue that it should be discounted without being heard, which is saying you would prefer to operate in an ignorant vacuum
 
what does that have to do with gun control?












nothing. probably why the white house did not include it

It has everything to do with the reasoning prowess of children.

Doesn't take a whole lot to figure THAT out. :roll:
 
if he didn't do such things he should be impeached for incompetence
of course he is going to bring to the debate perspectives that are going to advance his position

are you hamming it up by presenting your position in extant matter? or are you engaging in a debate on the issues

He should be impeached for not using unethical methods of getting support?
We're debating, he is not.

There is no debate, he's gets all the airtime, there is no one else saying, "hey, you're wrong."
He gets the entire time to present his point on television, congress does but on the back channels no one watches.

it does not hurt to be exposed to the perspective of children
and if they offer valued insights then we factor that into our decision making
if their perspective offers nothing, then it does not advance the debate

seems you want to argue that it should be discounted without being heard, which is saying you would prefer to operate in an ignorant vacuum

No, we aren't exposed to the perspective of all children though.
That's the issue here.
 
love reading all the objections

by the faux news watchers whose collective political IQ is substantially lower than that of the kids who sent the letters

as if a youngster can't have a sound opinion because they are young while an adult's opinion must be found legitimate only because they are older


the reich wing is pissed
they have no where to hide on the gun issue
they want instead to tell us how awful bats and guns are
they see Gabby has become the face of the gun control advocacy and have no counter to her
and they know that restrictions are coming and they can do nothing to stop them

It doesn't bother you that they're using little kids to further their agenda?

This reminds me of the time that the Jehovah Witnesses in my area sent their children up to the door to spread the word while the adults waited on the street. It's pathetic.

...and it's called Fox News. Studies show it's viewers are as informed as viewers of any mainstream news while those who watch the O'Reilly show tend to be more informed.
 
He should be impeached for not using unethical methods of getting support?
We're debating, he is not.
here is where you are totally wrong
there is a HUGE debate raging right now about gun control
it is NOT a settled matter; hence the debate

There is no debate, he's gets all the airtime, there is no one else saying, "hey, you're wrong."
He gets the entire time to present his point on television, congress does but on the back channels no one watches.
for this to be close to true, then you would have to have assumed the NRA is going to be quiet on the issue
it is clear that is not the case, making your conclusion - that there is no debate - an incorrect one



No, we aren't exposed to the perspective of all children though.
you have been now, thanks to the white house
do with it as you will



That's the issue here.
and notice that we are participating in a DEBATE on the gun control issue
that is THE issue here
 
'Ya know, this little stunt by Obama is going to be seen for what it is.... A cheap and tasteless political stunt. Rather than approaching this from an emotional standpoint, both sides need to back off, and then come to the table and compromise. Here is what would work..........

1) Background checks? Republicans should agree to let Democrats have their way on this one. After all, who wants a nutcase obtaining a firearm legally?

2) Assault rifles and large clips? Democrats should agree to let Republicans have their way on this one. After all, If criminals are still going to break the law and obrain them, then why can't honest citizens obtain them legally. It just makes sense.

Problem solved with a good compromise that contains some common sense. Now on to the next issue......

DanaRhea for President.................Um, never mind. I don't want the job. LOL.
 
because they have a legitimate perspective to offer

They have a legitimate perspective to offer but they can't go about the school without an RFID card?

So their opinion can be trusted and respected but they can't be trusted to go to the bathroom without a device tracking them?

Do I have your position on the two issues right?
 
1) Background checks? Republicans should agree to let Democrats have their way on this one. After all, who wants a nutcase obtaining a firearm legally?

2) Assault rifles and large clips? Democrats should agree to let Republicans have their way on this one. After all, If criminals are still going to break the law and obrain them, then why can't honest citizens obtain them legally. It just makes sense.

We already have background checks. This is not the same thing a psychological fitness certification of some type.
We currently can't get assault rifles without special licensure. People are highly misinformed on what an assault rifle is.
 
They have a legitimate perspective to offer but they can't go about the school without an RFID card?
the kids certainly have an opinion
whether it is a legitimate one is for each citizen to assess for themself

notice that has absolutely nothing to do with RFID tags

So their opinion can be trusted and respected but they can't be trusted to go to the bathroom without a device tracking them?
they have an opinion to offer
whether it is a respected opinion depends upon each listener

again, notice how that has absolutely nothing to do with RFID tags

Do I have your position on the two issues right?
no
the RFID tags has nothing to do with the opinions kids have about guns and their concern about them
 
We already have background checks. This is not the same thing a psychological fitness certification of some type.
We currently can't get assault rifles without special licensure. People are highly misinformed on what an assault rifle is.

1) No we don't. At a gun show, there is no background check. You can walk in and buy a gun from any stranger who is selling one.

2) I'll defer to you on the second part of your post. However, I don't see the problem with someone having a AR-15 with a 32 round clip. If a crook can get one illegally, then honest people should be able to obtain one legally.
 
No we don't. At a gun show, there is no background check. You can walk in and buy a gun from any stranger who is selling one.

That's news to me, as I have bought at gun shows and they require a background check.
 
love reading all the objections

by the faux news watchers whose collective political IQ is substantially lower than that of the kids who sent the letters

as if a youngster can't have a sound opinion because they are young while an adult's opinion must be found legitimate only because they are older


the reich wing is pissed
they have no where to hide on the gun issue
they want instead to tell us how awful bats and guns are
they see Gabby has become the face of the gun control advocacy and have no counter to her
and they know that restrictions are coming and they can do nothing to stop them

This is dumbass propaganda and anyone with a functioning brain and IQ higher than 30 can figure that out.
 
That's news to me, as I have bought at gun shows and they require a background check.

I go to the gun show at the George Brown Convention Center here in Houston every year, up until 2009, when I got my DWI (Was not allowed to own a firearm during my probation for that). I bought my Model-16 there, which is a semi-automatic .22 calibre rifle that was made to look like an M-16, and manufactured by Arms Corporation of the Philippines. I did not get a background check when I purchased it. I bought the weapon, and then walked out the door with it.
 
1) No we don't. At a gun show, there is no background check. You can walk in and buy a gun from any stranger who is selling one.

Really? In Colorado there was a background check. I'm not sure they have gun shows in Jersey because this state sucks.
 
1) No we don't. At a gun show, there is no background check. You can walk in and buy a gun from any stranger who is selling one.

2) I'll defer to you on the second part of your post. However, I don't see the problem with someone having a AR-15 with a 32 round clip. If a crook can get one illegally, then honest people should be able to obtain one legally.

I don't have a problem with buying an AR15, since it's not an assault rifle. It's the misuse of terms that irritates me, because it feeds a general ignorance about the subject of guns. Gun dealers are required to do background checks. Individuals are not (as it should be).
 
See post #39.
 
I don't have a problem with buying an AR15, since it's not an assault rifle. It's the misuse of terms that irritates me, because it feeds a general ignorance about the subject of guns. Gun dealers are required to do background checks. Individuals are not (as it should be).

Here is where we disagree. I believe that individuals selling guns should also be required to do a background check.
 
That's news to me, as I have bought at gun shows and they require a background check.

Don't you just love the lie that gun shows are somehow different than everywhere else? I have to admit I laughed when I heard it after the shooting. Then I realized they were serious and it only got more funny. What idiots.
 
the kids certainly have an opinion
whether it is a legitimate one is for each citizen to assess for themself

notice that has absolutely nothing to do with RFID tags

I just think it's funny that you listen to kids about guns, but ignore them completely when they want privacy. How does that work exactly?
 
Don't you just love the lie that gun shows are somehow different than everywhere else? I have to admit I laughed when I heard it after the shooting. Then I realized they were serious and it only got more funny. What idiots.

They ARE different. You can buy a gun from an individual at a gun show without having to undergo a background check. I have done it here in Houston.
 
They ARE different. You can buy a gun from an individual at a gun show without having to undergo a background check. I have done it here in Houston.

You can do that outside of a gun show, too.
 
They ARE different. You can buy a gun from an individual at a gun show without having to undergo a background check. I have done it here in Houston.

I had the same experience as Arbo, so..
 
I had the same experience as Arbo, so..

I believe it varies from State to state. In Texas, I am capable of purchasing weapons at a gun show without a background check. I think it's different in Colorado.
 
They ARE different. You can buy a gun from an individual at a gun show without having to undergo a background check. I have done it here in Houston.


I've done it in San Antonio several times.
 
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