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Biden: W.H. readies 19 executive actions on guns

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Joe Biden on guns: White House readies 19 executive actions - POLITICO.com

Later this week, Obama will formally announce his proposals to reduce gun violence, which are expected to include renewal of the assault weapons ban, universal background checks and prohibition of high-capacity magazine clips. But Biden, who has been leading Obama’s task force on the response, spent two hours briefing a small group of sympathetic House Democrats on the road ahead in the latest White House outreach to invested groups.
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Hmm.....perhaps some regulation through CDC. I recall being called paranoid about that during the health care debate.

Anyway, 19 executive orders......I see trouble on the horizon.
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If this is 'all':


“It was all focusing on enforcing existing law, administering things like improving the background database, things like that that do not involve a change in the law but enforcing and making sure that the present law is administered as well as possible,” said Rep. Bobby Scott (D-Va.).
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Read more: Joe Biden on guns: White House readies 19 executive actions - POLITICO.com

It would sure seem to parallel what LaPierre said on Meet the Press, essentially enforcing the laws we already have. But I also saw the other 'insinuations' mentioned in the article. Harry has already conceeded that the AWB is likely to fail in the Senate...I don't see a high cap magazine being very enforcable...
 
Lutherf said:
Joe Biden on guns: White House readies 19 executive actions - POLITICO.com



Hmm.....perhaps some regulation through CDC. I recall being called paranoid about that during the health care debate.

Anyway, 19 executive orders......I see trouble on the horizon.
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Perhaps a slight tweak to PPACA is in order, that law was passed before it was even written, meaning that the executive alone can "fill in the implementation details" as it evolves into UHC. I see a possible addition of gun ownership as a "health risk factor" that could become an exchange premium cost "risk factor" along with age and smoking. Great way to implement a back door "gun tax". Hmm...
 
Dickieboy said:
If this is 'all':



Read more: Joe Biden on guns: White House readies 19 executive actions - POLITICO.com

It would sure seem to parallel what LaPierre said on Meet the Press, essentially enforcing the laws we already have. But I also saw the other 'insinuations' mentioned in the article. Harry has already conceeded that the AWB is likely to fail in the Senate...I don't see a high cap magazine being very enforcable...
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One of the rumors I have heard (from what I consider to be a reliable and knowledgeable source) is a fee for NICS checks and, possibly, a limit on how many NICS checks an FFL can conduct in a given period of time.

CAP has a number of suggestions on their site (Preventing Gun Violence in Our Nation | Center for American Progress) and it would be reasonable to assume that many of these suggestions will be included in the administration plan.
 
Lutherf said:
One of the rumors I have heard (from what I consider to be a reliable and knowledgeable source) is a fee for NICS checks and, possibly, a limit on how many NICS checks an FFL can conduct in a given period of time.

CAP has a number of suggestions on their site (Preventing Gun Violence in Our Nation | Center for American Progress) and it would be reasonable to assume that many of these suggestions will be included in the administration plan.
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There is no issue of any kind whatsoever where Democrats to not look at it from a question of how can we use this anyway possible to take more money away from working people for the government.
 
joko104 said:
There is no issue of any kind whatsoever where Democrats to not look at it from a question of how can we use this anyway possible to take more money away from working people for the government.
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Step one is to limit ALL gun (ammo?) sales to going ONLY through FFL dealers, by saying that is "the only way" to assure sales to felons and the criminally insane can be "controlled", closing the "gun show" or private sale "loophole". Step two is to impose a "user fee" for using a FFL dealer to "certify the private transfer/sale"; of course this can be "split" between the FFL dealer (for his paperwork/NICS background check time) and the federal gov't (for providing the NICS system).
 
Lutherf said:
One of the rumors I have heard (from what I consider to be a reliable and knowledgeable source) is a fee for NICS checks and, possibly, a limit on how many NICS checks an FFL can conduct in a given period of time.

CAP has a number of suggestions on their site (Preventing Gun Violence in Our Nation | Center for American Progress) and it would be reasonable to assume that many of these suggestions will be included in the administration plan.
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that group is a terrorist group and should be treated accordingly
 
Awesome. As soon as he signs the first one, he loses the momentum to go forward with changing any laws.
 
CA does this on firearms right now. The fee is $35, and FFLs are required to do it or they lose a CA permit needed and for their wonderful effort they get to keep a whole $10 while the state steals $25.


ttwtt78640 said:
Step one is to limit ALL gun (ammo?) sales to going ONLY through FFL dealers, by saying that is

"the only way" to assure sales to felons and the criminally insane can be "controlled", closing the "gun show" or private sale "loophole". Step two is to impose a "user fee" for using a FFL dealer to "certify the private transfer/sale"; of course this can be "split" between the FFL dealer (for his paperwork/NICS background check time) and the federal gov't (for providing the NICS system).
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CalGun said:
CA does this on firearms right now. The fee is $35, and FFLs are required to do it or they lose a CA permit needed and for their wonderful effort they get to keep a whole $10 while the state steals $25.
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I have proposed using a statewide system of doing the NICS background check ONCE, upon issuing/renewing the state issued, photo ID; if the NICS bcakground check is passed then the ID is stamped "Gun OK" so anyone can rest assured that their gun/ammo sale is "legal", for federal law purposes, to that citizen. When a person is convicted of a felony, adjudged criminally insane or served with a court ordered protection order then their state ID can be invalidated (replaced). That method is so simple, efficient and is easily, equally effective to the mess that we now have.
 
Remember everybody: load your magazines, fill a backpack with food, and let's start KILLING PEOPLE! :rock :shoot

 
ttwtt78640 said:
I have proposed using a statewide system of doing the NICS background check ONCE, upon issuing/renewing the state issued, photo ID; if the NICS bcakground check is passed then the ID is stamped "Gun OK" so anyone can rest assured that their gun/ammo sale is "legal", for federal law purposes, to that citizen. When a person is convicted of a felony, adjudged criminally insane or served with a court ordered protection order then their state ID can be invalidated (replaced). That method is so simple, efficient and is easily, equally effective to the mess that we now have.
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this pretty much how the concealed carry permit is now
 
fishinRod said:
this pretty much how the concealed carry permit is now
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Not quite, at least, in Texas. To get a CCW permit is 1) expensive, requires an NRA training course and 3) requires a separate ID card. The prerequisite NRA training course (locations costs/vary) is about $100 (maybe more, depending on ammo required) the Texas state CCW "application fee" is $140, and natuarally fingerprints and photos may entail additional travel/costs, they can (and do) take their sweet time in "processing" these applications. Of course the driving permit in Texas, with written/driving tests, including free photos, is done on the spot, and is only $24. Hmm...

Texas Gun Pros - Concealed Handgun License Classes, NRA Classes, Hunters Education Classes, Concealed Carry Permit, CHL, Texas CHL - DFW Area
 
I recall that but to be honest so many places want to see your drivers license for using plastic now I don't really care for every clerk out there to see I'm "gun ok" when it would be easier to have an instant check show up on a screen in a matter of seconds with a simple database. I've always suggested the instant check is something gun owners should favor, but in return gun owners that already own firearms should not have to wait / cooling off periods are ridiculous to an existing gun owner. That would make any dealer with a satellite / cell wireless Internet connection capable of going to gun shows and selling instantly their products again.


ttwtt78640 said:
I have proposed using a statewide system of doing the NICS background check ONCE, upon issuing/renewing the state issued, photo ID; if the NICS bcakground check is passed then the ID is stamped "Gun OK" so anyone can rest assured that their gun/ammo sale is "legal", for federal law purposes, to that citizen. When a person is convicted of a felony, adjudged criminally insane or served with a court ordered protection order then their state ID can be invalidated (replaced). That method is so simple, efficient and is easily, equally effective to the mess that we now have.
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Oh the Irony......It is perfectly OK to charge people for exercising their right to own a gun, do background checks etc etc but the moment anyone suggests giving out FREE state voter ID's so that people have to prove their citizenship in order to vote all the libs cry foul and violation of rights etc etc. Screw the irony...this is just plain hypocritical.

You know...I hate to say this but liberals are starting to push me more and more towards the conservative side.
 
CalGun said:
I recall that but to be honest so many places want to see your drivers license for using plastic now I don't really care for every clerk out there to see I'm "gun ok" when it would be easier to have an instant check show up on a screen in a matter of seconds with a simple database. I've always suggested the instant check is something gun owners should favor, but in return gun owners that already own firearms should not have to wait / cooling off periods are ridiculous to an existing gun owner. That would make any dealer with a satellite / cell wireless Internet connection capable of going to gun shows and selling instantly their products again.
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About 90% of those IDs will show "Gun OK"; it does not mean that you own a gun, just that you are not prohibitted from doing so. I would be more concered about showing an ID bearing my street address, which is none of their business either. The need of the NICS check for each gun/ammo sale is a pain in the ***, that can be skipped by using a brief look at your ID. Many non-FFL dealers should have no need to use the NICS or have need for the requisite manual records/pre-approval associated with its use. If I decide to sell one of my guns (or a box of bullets) I can do so legally by simply glancing at the buyer's ID. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Not quite, at least, in Texas. To get a CCW permit is 1) expensive, requires an NRA training course and 3) requires a separate ID card. The prerequisite NRA training course (locations costs/vary) is about $100 (maybe more, depending on ammo required) the Texas state CCW "application fee" is $140, and natuarally fingerprints and photos may entail additional travel/costs, they can (and do) take their sweet time in "processing" these applications. Of course the driving permit in Texas, with written/driving tests, including free photos, is done on the spot, and is only $24. Hmm...

Texas Gun Pros - Concealed Handgun License Classes, NRA Classes, Hunters Education Classes, Concealed Carry Permit, CHL, Texas CHL - DFW Area
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in NC its pretty much what you said the first time..$60 class, wait for background check..fingerprint, pay some fee $90 i think, card issued...good for 5 years, renew by paying fee unless you screw up....ccw is also good for handgun purchase
 
Well one thing I like about your plan is putting "GUN OK" on the ID's of so many people will make them think - hey I can go buy a gun. Not too mention how it will really annoy the crap out of every silly anti that hates guns.


ttwtt78640 said:
About 90% of those IDs will show "Gun OK"; it does not mean that you own a gun, just that you are not prohibitted from doing so. I would be more concered about showing an ID bearing my street address, which is none of their business either. The need of the NICS check for each gun/ammo sale is a pain in the ***, that can be skipped by using a brief look at your ID. Many non-FFL dealers should have no need to use the NICS or have need for the requisite manual records/pre-approval associated with its use. If I decide to sell one of my guns (or a box of bullets) I can do so legally by simply glancing at the buyer's ID. ;)
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TurtleDude said:
that group is a terrorist group and should be treated accordingly
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"Supports stronger background checks" is terrorism? That's new.
Nothing in the current law prevents known or suspected terrorists from clearing a background check and purchasing guns. And some of them are doing just that: According to the Government Accountability Office, between February 2004 and December 2010, there were 1,119 instances when known or suspected terrorists on the government’s Terrorist Watchlist purchased guns or explosives from federally licensed dealers. What’s more, in the past two decades, there have been numerous terror attacks in the United States involving firearms, including shootings at the following places:
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But hey, we wouldn't want to even slightly inconvenience you and your precious gun purchases, right?
 
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