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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The kid did not need a machine gun, a single shot hunting rifle would have sufficed. Now we have a poor man in the hospital full of bullets instead of just one, this kids spray and pray shooting technique did nothing but cost us taxpayers money.
    The AR-15 is not a machine gun, its not capable of fully-automatic fire. Its a Semi-Automatic sporting rifle.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The fact is that ALMOST any gun in this situation would have sufficed and the fact it was an AR-15 is irrelevant in terms of defending yourself. The AR-15 is not NEEDED to protect yourself with.

    With that being said, I don't believe in assault weapons bans nor do I think they should be demonized as I believe that guns don't kill people, bullets fired out of those guns by people do.
    Sure its not needed if he gets them with a less effective gun, but thats no guarantee. Do you have a problem with AR-15's for self defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't agree that any of the actions proposed so far qualify as "destroying the 2nd amendment."
    Really? Not even CT's Senator Meyer's proposal to make it a felony to own any firearm capable of more than a single shot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A semi-auto pistol would also have worked.
    Yeah, maybe? So might have an arrow. But if you have superior firepower at your disposal in a situation warranting it, I see no reason not to.

    Either way, I hope they don't ban semi-auto pistols too. Yes that has also been proposed. Are you paying attention?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If thats true then we should be one of the most safe countries in the world.... The opposite is true....
    Then why is the crime rate going down as the number of guns in circulation going up? What about the crime rates where people are allowed to carry guns? Your argument is specious at best.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Get real, the kid didn't need an AR nor a 30 round mag to end the threat.

    Defense of the home isn't going anywhere, many need to take a deep breath and act like they have a pair.
    Sounds to me like he needed his gun, and the 30 round magazine that comes STANDARD with AR-15's. I don't know what you beef is with standard capacity magazines.
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    All gun ignorance aside, good job kid.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    The article is also telling people something else...

    The NEW crime is not just burglary hoping someone isn't home. Its home invasions. That is the new crime and a perfect one against anyone who isn't truly prepared for it. In this story it was bold too. There was no attempt to learn if anyone was home. Rather, two attackers/crimes broke in thru 2 doors.

    In home invasion, once inside the house, the invaders can do anything they want to whoever it there for however long they want to. Rape. Torture. Murder. Anything. And since people tend to carry their money with them and the invader(s) have all the time they want as few people set alarms when home they can search and steal more too. Of course, the incentive is to kill the witnesses in the home.

    In dealing with a home invader and particularly if more than one (which is now more common than not), an inexperienced shooter and not psychologically prepared, totally startled person is at a disadvantage even if getting to his/her handgun. They are TOO hard to instant impulse shot. A long barrel weapon is what is best suited. I would recommend a semi auto 12 gauge shortened to legal minimum, but a semi auto rifle or shotgun is 100 times a better choice than a handgun.

    This message is to point out that increasingly people are NOT safe in their homes. In your home you are alone. This is more and more understood by criminals and druggies needing money and will do ANYTHING to get it. It is known to sexual predators too.

    It used to be you were safest in your home. But now, if you are not properly armed and prepared, and if you have flimsy doors and crappy locks, it is becoming one of the most dangerous places to be. It takes 1 second to kick in 99% of home doors. It takes 3-5 seconds for the perps to find you. And then they are in total control as long as they want to be and can do anything they want to you and your loved ones - hour after hour if they want to - and many do.

    So have a gun - long barrel semi-auto - and lock your bedroom door. You may want to replace the cheap hollow core bedroom door with a solid one and put on other than a $15 bedroom lock.

    Put in a Medecco - and use LONG screws for the receiver plate. Add the support plate that wraps around the door at the lock too. Less than $20 at Home Depot. But one on all exterior doors and your bedroom(s) doors. It is virtually impossible to pick or kick in a Medecco - with the bucks. Find them on Ebay.

    BTW, did you know there are master sets of keys anyone can get for typical Kwikset and Schlag door locks - and both are remarkably easy to pick. Finally, a deadbolt is vastly stronger and more difficult to get past. Have one. A good one. Use it.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    While I'm glad the boy and his sister are ok.

    Good shot and all that.

    I don't think this is something we should celebrate too much.

    I don't think we should aim to live in a society where 15 year old kids have to shoot people.

    And while there will always be bad guys and we have to be ready for them... we should not be overtly happy about kids having to shoot people.
    I think we would all be happier if there was no violent crime to begin with, but that simply isn't feelistic.
    Had the kid not been able to use that weapon the story could very well have been "Two Children Die in Home Invasion" and the left would have used THAT as a reason to do away with legal gun ownership.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I think we would all be happier if there was no violent crime to begin with, but that simply isn't feelistic.
    Had the kid not been able to use that weapon the story could very well have been "Two Children Die in Home Invasion" and the left would have used THAT as a reason to do away with legal gun ownership.
    Or an unsolved murder - for which the police would expend all efforts investigating and questioning the parents, relatives and neighbors as the clearly obvious suspects - and possibly end up prosecuting the parents on "circumstantial" evidence and because in their opinion the parents weren't acting right about it, plus they both didn't say the exact same words all 1o times they were both interrogated. And a disguntled relative would claim they were bad parents as support - and OMG if they found the parent had life insurance policies on those children.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If thats true then we should be one of the most safe countries in the world.... The opposite is true....
    I think we rate somewhere around #10 as far as that is concerned...
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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    I think we rate somewhere around #10 as far as that is concerned...
    No were not even in the top 10..
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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The article is also telling people something else...

    The NEW crime is not just burglary hoping someone isn't home. Its home invasions. That is the new crime and a perfect one against anyone who isn't truly prepared for it. In this story it was bold too. There was no attempt to learn if anyone was home. Rather, two attackers/crimes broke in thru 2 doors.

    In home invasion, once inside the house, the invaders can do anything they want to whoever it there for however long they want to. Rape. Torture. Murder. Anything. And since people tend to carry their money with them and the invader(s) have all the time they want as few people set alarms when home they can search and steal more too. Of course, the incentive is to kill the witnesses in the home.

    In dealing with a home invader and particularly if more than one (which is now more common than not), an inexperienced shooter and not psychologically prepared, totally startled person is at a disadvantage even if getting to his/her handgun. They are TOO hard to instant impulse shot. A long barrel weapon is what is best suited. I would recommend a semi auto 12 gauge shortened to legal minimum, but a semi auto rifle or shotgun is 100 times a better choice than a handgun.

    This message is to point out that increasingly people are NOT safe in their homes. In your home you are alone. This is more and more understood by criminals and druggies needing money and will do ANYTHING to get it. It is known to sexual predators too.

    It used to be you were safest in your home. But now, if you are not properly armed and prepared, and if you have flimsy doors and crappy locks, it is becoming one of the most dangerous places to be. It takes 1 second to kick in 99% of home doors. It takes 3-5 seconds for the perps to find you. And then they are in total control as long as they want to be and can do anything they want to you and your loved ones - hour after hour if they want to - and many do.

    So have a gun - long barrel semi-auto - and lock your bedroom door. You may want to replace the cheap hollow core bedroom door with a solid one and put on other than a $15 bedroom lock.

    Put in a Medecco - and use LONG screws for the receiver plate. Add the support plate that wraps around the door at the lock too. Less than $20 at Home Depot. But one on all exterior doors and your bedroom(s) doors. It is virtually impossible to pick or kick in a Medecco - with the bucks. Find them on Ebay.

    BTW, did you know there are master sets of keys anyone can get for typical Kwikset and Schlag door locks - and both are remarkably easy to pick. Finally, a deadbolt is vastly stronger and more difficult to get past. Have one. A good one. Use it.
    Your emotional appeal to influence with fear on people just to be armed and ready to shoot influences one to think that invaders would come even in differing circumstances. What if the invaders, like the psychopathic, ill wishing, sick brains that they are, noticed that adolescents only live in the house and tried to invade thinking it is "easy" pick?

    This is a single case that should not be generalized to everyone. The odds of dying from a heart attack are higher. What if it was a wide family with many male adults living there? Should all of them be armed with weapons bellow their pillows, holding their fingers in the trigger, so as to be alarmed at the smallest of of suspicion?

    All I here here is an emotional appeal "They're gonna getchya when all alone and unprepared at night! They are gonna harm you powerless if you are without a gun! They are gonna rape, kill, burn your house over and over again while you watch!!" Jeesh, take it easy will you?
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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It used to be you were safest in your home. But now, if you are not properly armed and prepared, and if you have flimsy doors and crappy locks, it is becoming one of the most dangerous places to be. It takes 1 second to kick in 99% of home doors. It takes 3-5 seconds for the perps to find you. And then they are in total control as long as they want to be and can do anything they want to you and your loved ones - hour after hour if they want to - and many do.

    So have a gun - long barrel semi-auto - and lock your bedroom door. You may want to replace the cheap hollow core bedroom door with a solid one and put on other than a $15 bedroom lock.

    Put in a Medecco - and use LONG screws for the receiver plate. Add the support plate that wraps around the door at the lock too. Less than $20 at Home Depot. But one on all exterior doors and your bedroom(s) doors. It is virtually impossible to pick or kick in a Medecco - with the bucks. Find them on Ebay.

    BTW, did you know there are master sets of keys anyone can get for typical Kwikset and Schlag door locks - and both are remarkably easy to pick. Finally, a deadbolt is vastly stronger and more difficult to get past. Have one. A good one. Use it.
    A few months back when my cousin was burglarized leaving no evidence, I was introduced to the terrifying concept of lock bumping:


    Worse, since there's no evidence of forced entry your insurance company will stiff you. Fortunately my home mostly has locks that cannot be bumped, the door w/ a Kwikset has a bolt in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The fact is that ALMOST any gun in this situation would have sufficed and the fact it was an AR-15 is irrelevant in terms of defending yourself. The AR-15 is not NEEDED to protect yourself with.
    Not necessarily. Not knowing the entire situation it is difficult to say which guns would have worked and which wouldn't. A wheel gun could have been most adequate with the right caliber and the right load and a the right shots. I would venture to say that the young man's advantage was greatly increased by the fact that he responded with an AR-15 rather than a .380 or a .38 Special. He stopped the threat with an AR-15. That should be all that matters.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The article is also telling people something else...

    The NEW crime is not just burglary hoping someone isn't home. Its home invasions. That is the new crime and a perfect one against anyone who isn't truly prepared for it. In this story it was bold too. There was no attempt to learn if anyone was home. Rather, two attackers/crimes broke in thru 2 doors.

    In home invasion, once inside the house, the invaders can do anything they want to whoever it there for however long they want to. Rape. Torture. Murder. Anything. And since people tend to carry their money with them and the invader(s) have all the time they want as few people set alarms when home they can search and steal more too. Of course, the incentive is to kill the witnesses in the home.

    In dealing with a home invader and particularly if more than one (which is now more common than not), an inexperienced shooter and not psychologically prepared, totally startled person is at a disadvantage even if getting to his/her handgun. They are TOO hard to instant impulse shot. A long barrel weapon is what is best suited. I would recommend a semi auto 12 gauge shortened to legal minimum, but a semi auto rifle or shotgun is 100 times a better choice than a handgun.

    This message is to point out that increasingly people are NOT safe in their homes. In your home you are alone. This is more and more understood by criminals and druggies needing money and will do ANYTHING to get it. It is known to sexual predators too.

    It used to be you were safest in your home. But now, if you are not properly armed and prepared, and if you have flimsy doors and crappy locks, it is becoming one of the most dangerous places to be. It takes 1 second to kick in 99% of home doors. It takes 3-5 seconds for the perps to find you. And then they are in total control as long as they want to be and can do anything they want to you and your loved ones - hour after hour if they want to - and many do.

    So have a gun - long barrel semi-auto - and lock your bedroom door. You may want to replace the cheap hollow core bedroom door with a solid one and put on other than a $15 bedroom lock.

    Put in a Medecco - and use LONG screws for the receiver plate. Add the support plate that wraps around the door at the lock too. Less than $20 at Home Depot. But one on all exterior doors and your bedroom(s) doors. It is virtually impossible to pick or kick in a Medecco - with the bucks. Find them on Ebay.

    BTW, did you know there are master sets of keys anyone can get for typical Kwikset and Schlag door locks - and both are remarkably easy to pick. Finally, a deadbolt is vastly stronger and more difficult to get past. Have one. A good one. Use it.
    Good post, Joko.

    In Paradise Valley (Phoenix) where many wealthy entertainment and sports and just filthy rich people live, they've been having a problem with - home invasions. According to newspaper articles sophisticated alarm systems and big dogs have been only minor deterrents. Of course this kind of thing happens to poor people far more frequently but poor people have no power and thus are not newsworthy it seems.

    To my knowledge not one thug has been shot by a homeowner in Paradise Valley. The only people hurt and/or sometimes killed are the homeowners, not the bad guys. I don't know why.

    Point is about the only thing that will protect someone from or during a home invasion is someone with a gun. That's just not going to be a cop. Police are rarely the first responder. The victim is the first responder.










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