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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Okay suppose I wear black clothes like a ninja and body armor and turn all the lights out then hide behind a thick wall waiting for him to come around the corner and then blow his head off? That would work. geezus, can't believe I'm having this discussion.
    I cannot believe you would either. People who actually know about this can quickly spot the pretenders. Don't pose a question unless you want an answer. Momma always said, "There's no such thing as a stupid question". Well momma was right. Stupid people do not ask questions. There are ignorant questions and there are ignorant statements. If you cannot learn from more experienced/knowledgable people who wish to teach you why a statement or question is ignorant, at that precise point in time, you become stupid. In my line of work, I am fully aware of which areas I am ignorant of. I will ask a question in an instant. Keeps me and my partners alive.
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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    I cannot believe you would either. People who actually know about this can quickly spot the pretenders. Don't pose a question unless you want an answer. Momma always said, "There's no such thing as a stupid question". Well momma was right. Stupid people do not ask questions. There are ignorant questions and there are ignorant statements. If you cannot learn from more experienced/knowledgable people who wish to teach you why a statement or question is ignorant, at that precise point in time, you become stupid. In my line of work, I am fully aware of which areas I am ignorant of. I will ask a question in an instant. Keeps me and my partners alive.
    Well, I was just having a little fun and if you can't see that then perhaps you got a lot more to learn than I do when it comes to stupidity. Your posts aren't exactly shining beacons of intellect and knowledge so you can stop flattering yourself....mmmmk?

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, I was just having a little fun and if you can't see that then perhaps you got a lot more to learn than I do when it comes to stupidity. Your posts aren't exactly shining beacons of intellect and knowledge so you can stop flattering yourself....mmmmk?
    I will apologize then. Guess I am a little dense in not seeing you were having fun. Problem is that I am seeing some pretty odd thought processes as of late and assumed you were just another one. You posted a question. Others answered why it would not be prudent. Simple. As for the flattery part, most of us are used to flattering ourselves in my career field..."Lord it's hard to be humble"
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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Ya know I'm just not going to do satire anymore. I thought this was so ridiculous nobody would take it seriously.
    I don't know your posting record, there were no smilies, and frankly... it sounded like the typical Obama voter.

    I did say... if this is not satire... the sad fact today... IS YOU NEVER KNOW!!!

    Your coming from Idaho (and my being a Vandal), I found it odd someone from ID would have such sentiments... but... again... you never know today.

    And that's the sad part... America has decayed that far.
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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If someone is at long range then they probably aren't an immediate threat and you would be hard pressed to claim self defense.
    That is not necessarily accurate. Bad guys have long guns, too.


    However, the implicit assumption is also incorrect. We do not have gun rights merely for self-defense in our own homes, but so that we can also engage in collective self-defense in the public sphere.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is not necessarily accurate. Bad guys have long guns, too.


    However, the implicit assumption is also incorrect. We do not have gun rights merely for self-defense in our own homes, but so that we can also engage in collective self-defense in the public sphere.
    Bad guys with long guns short guns whatever....if they're not an immenient or immediate threat or even on your property and you kill them with your long gun, you will be charged with murder. geezus, frickin paranoid pansy's with guns are getting a helluva lot more scary than some bad guys. You act like you're living a god damn movie.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If someone is at long range then they probably aren't an immediate threat and you would be hard pressed to claim self defense. Not to mention, it raises the odds of you shooting an innocent person. Besides, the interior of most homes would only require a short range weapon.

    edify me as to your handgun ability. 95% of the population can shoot a short carbine or a shotgun far more accurately than a handgun. especially under pressure. why do you think cops going into homes on felony warrants carry shotguns and M4 carbines

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    I also note that prior to Heller and the AWB craze the guns that the loony left targeted for banning was handguns. we had the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, and Handgun Control inc (the brady turds I believe is the successor)

    the anti handgun groups always claimed that handguns were not the best weapon for home defense, were often cheap, easily concealed and were not "MILITIA weapons" (apparently an attempt to use MILLER).

    now they want to attack rifles that

    1) are great for home defense

    2) are hardly cheap or easily concealed

    3) and have clear military use

    what does that tell you. gun haters hate guns and will change the reason for what they hate depending on what most will appeal to the sheeple at a given time

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    edify me as to your handgun ability. 95% of the population can shoot a short carbine or a shotgun far more accurately than a handgun. especially under pressure. why do you think cops going into homes on felony warrants carry shotguns and M4 carbines
    Someone mentioned that it's a lot easier to grab a long gun away from someone than it is with a handgun...and since we're talking about a bad guy getting into the home....a hand gun is the weapon of choice by the majority of Americans for self defense, probably because of it's convience and size.

    Do you remember in Heller what Scalia said about handguns? See bolded below.

    "...There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was not unlimited, just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see, e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to speak for any purpose. ....<snip>

    We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of “dangerous and unusual weapons.” ...<snip>...

    It is no answer to say, as petitioners do, that it is permissible to ban the possession of handguns so long as the possession of other firearms (i.e., long guns) is allowed. It is enough to note, as we have observed, that the American people have considered the handgun to be the quintessential self-defense weapon. There are many reasons that a citizen may prefer a handgun for home defense: It is easier to store in a location that is readily accessible in an emergency; it cannot easily be redirected or wrestled away by an attacker; it is easier to use for those without the upper-body strength to lift and aim a long gun; it can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police. Whatever the reason, handguns are the most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home, and a complete prohibition of their use is invalid.......<snip>....

    The Court of Appeals did not invalidate the licensing requirement, but held only that the District “may not prevent [a handgun] from being moved throughout one’s house.” 478 F. 3d, at 400. It then ordered the District Court to enter summary judgment “consistent with [respondent’s] prayer for relief.” Id., at 401. Before this Court petitioners have stated that “if the handgun ban is struck down and respondent registers a handgun, he could obtain a license, assuming he is not otherwise disqualified,” by which they apparently mean if he is not a felon and is not insane. Brief for Petitioners 58. Respondent conceded at oral argument that he does not “have a problem with … licensing” and that the District’s law is permissible so long as it is “not enforced in an arbitrary and capricious manner.” Tr. of Oral Arg. 74–75. We therefore assume that petitioners’ issuance of a license will satisfy respondent’s prayer for relief and do not address the licensing requirement....<snip>....

    The First Amendment contains the freedom-of-speech guarantee that the people ratified, which included exceptions for obscenity, libel, and disclosure of state secrets, but not for the expression of extremely unpopular and wrong-headed views. The Second Amendment is no different. Like the First, it is the very product of an interest-balancing by the people— ....<snip>....

    We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country, and we take seriously the concerns raised by the many amici who believe that prohibition of handgun ownership is a solution. The Constitution leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns, see supra, at 54–55, and n. 26. But the enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table. These include the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home. Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our standing army is the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces provide personal security, and where gun violence is a serious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.

    We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals.


    It is so ordered

    DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER
    The court left wide open to regulate all firearms. The more I read Heller the more respect I have for the SCOTUS and even more amazing, Scalia's deciding argument...

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