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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    In most cases, a 15yo that used a handgun without adult supervision could be in trouble with the law, and his parents with him. A long gun is more permissible in most states, and of long guns an AR15 is a good defense weapon for a woman or young person.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Handguns are by far the weapon of choice for self defense and those are the ones that SCOTUS mentioned in Heller. So if it's about self defense, an AR15 probably won't stand up to scrutiny as being the weapon of choice by the vast majority and will likely become more heavily regulated. Just sayin.
    That's FAR too broad a generalization.

    A handgun is convenient because it's rather small and light weight which makes it more practical to carry on a regular basis but the trade off is that it has limited range and much less penetration power than a rifle round. If one is defending themselves from someone who is at a significant distance then a handgun is pretty much useless. For most close defense applications a handgun is a good option but let's say that you are being fired on by someone outside your house..that handgun is going to be much less effective than a rifle.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That's FAR too broad a generalization.

    A handgun is convenient because it's rather small and light weight which makes it more practical to carry on a regular basis but the trade off is that it has limited range and much less penetration power than a rifle round. If one is defending themselves from someone who is at a significant distance then a handgun is pretty much useless. For most close defense applications a handgun is a good option but let's say that you are being fired on by someone outside your house..that handgun is going to be much less effective than a rifle.
    If someone is at long range then they probably aren't an immediate threat and you would be hard pressed to claim self defense. Not to mention, it raises the odds of you shooting an innocent person. Besides, the interior of most homes would only require a short range weapon.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If someone is at long range then they probably aren't an immediate threat and you would be hard pressed to claim self defense. Not to mention, it raises the odds of you shooting an innocent person. Besides, the interior of most homes would only require a short range weapon.
    Long range for a pistol is anything over, say, 25 yards.

    Think about this....you have a restraining order on some nut you were dating and one day you notice him sitting in a car across the street. You pick up the phone to call the cops and realize that he just got out with a rifle. You have a Ruger LCR in .357 but it's only got a 2" barrel because it's designed for up close shooting and concealment. That nut is going to have all the advantage over you based on the range alone because he will be a whole lot more accurate at that distance than you could possibly be. Wouldn't it be better to have a rifle available so that you could engage him before he got into the house?

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Long range for a pistol is anything over, say, 25 yards.

    Think about this....you have a restraining order on some nut you were dating and one day you notice him sitting in a car across the street. You pick up the phone to call the cops and realize that he just got out with a rifle. You have a Ruger LCR in .357 but it's only got a 2" barrel because it's designed for up close shooting and concealment. That nut is going to have all the advantage over you based on the range alone because he will be a whole lot more accurate at that distance than you could possibly be. Wouldn't it be better to have a rifle available so that you could engage him before he got into the house?
    Okay, suppose I just stand off to the side or behind the door and wait until he comes in and then blow his head off? That would make more sense than having a shoot out with him...not to mention save bullets.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    SWAT teams? LOL The vast majority of Americans are not SWAT teams and for the vast majoriyt of the population a handgun is the weapon of choice for personal self defense both at home and on the street. We're not talking about SWAT teams and combat we're talking about that little old lady next door and that family down the street and handguns are their weapon of choice. We don't need combat weapons in our communitees...we are not at war.

    But since you mentioned it, what is the best caliber handgun for home defense?
    There you said it. It is their weapon of "choice". Some choose to use a rifle. Some choose a handgun and others choose to use a shotgun. What is best is constantly debated among people who know and understand firearms and what they are truly capable of. Fact is that there is no particular weapon that is best under all home/personal defense scenarios. Personally, I choose my SBR rifle over a handgun or shotgun for home defense because I am far more accurate with it and it has more stopping power than most handguns. I am not so unknowledgeable or arrogant enough to assume it is the best option for everyone under every circumstance. Nobody who has any real knowledge of firearms and their use would argue otherwise. To do so shows pure ignorance of the subject. For what it's worth, lever action rifles were combat weapons and prefered by most soldiers for their magazine capacity. Ban these too?
    As for best caliber handgun? That is another big debate. I prefer the big flying ashtray.... .45 ACP in a semi, .357 in a revolver. But again, it will turn into a big Chevy vs Ford argument if you ask gun guys/gals.
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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Okay, suppose I just stand off to the side or behind the door and wait until he comes in and then blow his head off? That would make more sense than having a shoot out with him...not to mention save bullets.
    That would be totally foolish. If you were in such a situation your best bet would be to run like the wind in the opposite direction. If you were intent on engaging him then you should seek cover behind something that would stop a bullet....a door won't do that.

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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That would be totally foolish. If you were in such a situation your best bet would be to run like the wind in the opposite direction. If you were intent on engaging him then you should seek cover behind something that would stop a bullet....a door won't do that.
    Some people don't know the difference between cover and concealment...
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    Re: 15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That would be totally foolish. If you were in such a situation your best bet would be to run like the wind in the opposite direction. If you were intent on engaging him then you should seek cover behind something that would stop a bullet....a door won't do that.
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    Some people don't know the difference between cover and concealment...
    Okay suppose I wear black clothes like a ninja and body armor and turn all the lights out then hide behind a thick wall waiting for him to come around the corner and then blow his head off? That would work. geezus, can't believe I'm having this discussion.

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