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New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last
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'Murica.
'Murica.
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Even more of a concern when contrasted with this:
Healthcare spending around the world, country by country
"The US spends more than any other country in the world on healthcare"
Healthcare spending around the world, country by country | News | guardian.co.uk
Even more of a concern when contrasted with this:
Healthcare spending around the world, country by country
"The US spends more than any other country in the world on healthcare"
Healthcare spending around the world, country by country | News | guardian.co.uk
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We have the most expensive system in the advanced world, with some of the worst health outcomes. That's because our for profit pay for service model is totally and completely maladapted for health care -- for well known reasons, the most obvious being lack of price elasticity.
It's time for single payer. End of story. Our rationing of health care by income has failed.
We have the most expensive system in the advanced world, with some of the worst health outcomes. That's because our for profit pay for service model is totally and completely maladapted for health care -- for well known reasons, the most obvious being lack of price elasticity.
It's time for single payer. End of story. Our rationing of health care by income has failed.
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Unless we contain salaries, there is no point in doing anything and think we will save money without taking an ax to quality of care. The Obamacare medical device tax will further add cost to the system.
Unless we contain salaries, there is no point in doing anything and think we will save money without taking an ax to quality of care. The Obamacare medical device tax will further add cost to the system.
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We will have to eventually upgrade to single payer plan as the rest of the industrialized world has done, people will not continue to support the worst outcomes for the highest cost.
We will have to eventually upgrade to single payer plan as the rest of the industrialized world has done, people will not continue to support the worst outcomes for the highest cost.
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but but but......SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but but but......SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Noooooooooo.............we would rather pay more for lesser outcomes than do anything like what is working in the rest of the industrialized world!
Noooooooooo.............we would rather pay more for lesser outcomes than do anything like what is working in the rest of the industrialized world!
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the deathby violence doesnt seem right,last time i checked australia had a higher ratio than us,but then again the chart uses an outdated chart for its comparison.
highest rate of death by car-well duhh,america has more cars per capita than the rest of the world,in most of the world,only the very well off and farmers who live away from public transport have cars and trucks,everyone else takes the bus,in america almost everyone has a car and almost no one takes the bus.
highest chance a child will die before age five,not very specific,from illness or from any cause like being run over by the 2 cars per household??
heart disease yep we gotz it,should have seen it coming with the bacon sunday at bk.
americans smoke much much less than most the world,id probably give that credit to the high number of coal miners pre safety gear still alive(kinda)and overuse of asbestos(still used in the army and big rigs in limited quaqntities)or maybe from the smog that accumulates in high population mountain areas like la.
really cant give all us credit for high teen pregnancy,my brother was stationed in fort lost in the woods missouri for ait,and they had super high teen pregnancy,of course the only things as passtimes there were drinking smoking pot and sex,i wouldnt be surprised if our number on that list dropped if missouri ceased to exist.
oh please highest complications during pregnancy????:???surely not from all the processed genetically modified food,or the agent orange corn that the fda is set to approve,or the fact the us still has legal use of agent orange derivitaves that use dioxin,something pracdtically every other country has banned except canada,but even canada has strict guidelines for its usage.
the deathby violence doesnt seem right,last time i checked australia had a higher ratio than us,but then again the chart uses an outdated chart for its comparison.
highest rate of death by car-well duhh,america has more cars per capita than the rest of the world,in most of the world,only the very well off and farmers who live away from public transport have cars and trucks,everyone else takes the bus,in america almost everyone has a car and almost no one takes the bus.
highest chance a child will die before age five,not very specific,from illness or from any cause like being run over by the 2 cars per household??
heart disease yep we gotz it,should have seen it coming with the bacon sunday at bk.
americans smoke much much less than most the world,id probably give that credit to the high number of coal miners pre safety gear still alive(kinda)and overuse of asbestos(still used in the army and big rigs in limited quaqntities)or maybe from the smog that accumulates in high population mountain areas like la.
really cant give all us credit for high teen pregnancy,my brother was stationed in fort lost in the woods missouri for ait,and they had super high teen pregnancy,of course the only things as passtimes there were drinking smoking pot and sex,i wouldnt be surprised if our number on that list dropped if missouri ceased to exist.
oh please highest complications during pregnancy????:???surely not from all the processed genetically modified food,or the agent orange corn that the fda is set to approve,or the fact the us still has legal use of agent orange derivitaves that use dioxin,something pracdtically every other country has banned except canada,but even canada has strict guidelines for its usage.
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step one is completely delinking health care from specific employment. i was exceptionally disappointed that the PPACA didn't do that.
step one is completely delinking health care from specific employment. i was exceptionally disappointed that the PPACA didn't do that.
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You may not have noticed that this post is about the USA simply not being the paradise that the people on TV and the Major Mass Media would have you believe. It is a management problem and the infection is insidious. If other countries have found better solutions to these problems, why haven't we? Do you suspect that perhaps the problem is systemic? I think the author of the report was kind not to define whether the wealthy had better survival outcomes than the poor. Oh wait a minute, of course they would. We have the best medicine that money can buy. Same as our politicians.
You may not have noticed that this post is about the USA simply not being the paradise that the people on TV and the Major Mass Media would have you believe. It is a management problem and the infection is insidious. If other countries have found better solutions to these problems, why haven't we? Do you suspect that perhaps the problem is systemic? I think the author of the report was kind not to define whether the wealthy had better survival outcomes than the poor. Oh wait a minute, of course they would. We have the best medicine that money can buy. Same as our politicians.
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Not a big believer in free speech, eh? You really think people won't know they are getting ****ed, if we just shoot the messenger?
Not a big believer in free speech, eh? You really think people won't know they are getting ****ed, if we just shoot the messenger?
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oh wanting free speech now???????wait until i report you to mcarthy for being communist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh wanting free speech now???????wait until i report you to mcarthy for being communist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wow no sense of humor,,better not quit your day job with logical debate
wow no sense of humor,,better not quit your day job with logical debate
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we had german medics at our german hospital in afghanistan.
truthfully, we had to tell them how to perform surgery,they were less equiped than american surgeons at a discount clinic who got their degree for 15 bucks online.we ended up using american medicvs who were emergency medics not doctors as doctors or we went to the swedish and norwegians to avoid german doctors.
we had german medics at our german hospital in afghanistan.
truthfully, we had to tell them how to perform surgery,they were less equiped than american surgeons at a discount clinic who got their degree for 15 bucks online.we ended up using american medicvs who were emergency medics not doctors as doctors or we went to the swedish and norwegians to avoid german doctors.
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Slow and crappy care is still better than nothing. Too bad the people who'd benefit the most from moving, the working poor, can't afford it.
Slow and crappy care is still better than nothing. Too bad the people who'd benefit the most from moving, the working poor, can't afford it.
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How many of these things are flaws of people taking poor care of themselves and how many of them are due to a bad healthcare system? My bet is that it's due to the lifestyle choices of others, not that our medical system or care is inferior to other nations.
How many of these things are flaws of people taking poor care of themselves and how many of them are due to a bad healthcare system? My bet is that it's due to the lifestyle choices of others, not that our medical system or care is inferior to other nations.
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"bi-national opinion poll done by Canada’s CTV television network and the national newspaper Globe & Mail, 91 percent of Canadians said they prefered their national health care system over America’s pseudo-private system.
Ninety-One percent. In the world of scientific opinion polling, that’s about as unanimous as you ever get.
Also, 45 percent of Americans surveyed preferred Canada’s system, and 42 percent preferred to stick with what we’ve got."
91 percent of Canadians like their health care system – Chuck Sweeny | Politics and government - Rockford, IL - Rockford Register Star
"bi-national opinion poll done by Canada’s CTV television network and the national newspaper Globe & Mail, 91 percent of Canadians said they prefered their national health care system over America’s pseudo-private system.
Ninety-One percent. In the world of scientific opinion polling, that’s about as unanimous as you ever get.
Also, 45 percent of Americans surveyed preferred Canada’s system, and 42 percent preferred to stick with what we’ve got."
91 percent of Canadians like their health care system – Chuck Sweeny | Politics and government - Rockford, IL - Rockford Register Star
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I agree. This is a ranking of health, not of the health care system. Our health is bad due to decisions we make - we eat a lot of processed foods, we smoke, we eat less fish, we drive a lot and walk less, we have more guns. It does not seem to be an indictment on the health care system. In fact, the only items that I see that could be health care related was that we are more likely to survive cancer and strokes, which would imply that we have better treatments. The authors even noted it is possible that other coutnries will catch up to us, as their obesity rates catch up to us and their younger smokes start to die off.
I agree. This is a ranking of health, not of the health care system. Our health is bad due to decisions we make - we eat a lot of processed foods, we smoke, we eat less fish, we drive a lot and walk less, we have more guns. It does not seem to be an indictment on the health care system. In fact, the only items that I see that could be health care related was that we are more likely to survive cancer and strokes, which would imply that we have better treatments. The authors even noted it is possible that other coutnries will catch up to us, as their obesity rates catch up to us and their younger smokes start to die off.
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Anybody who thinks the health care system in the USofA (over the last decade or more) hasn't really been too bad, has truly been lucky enough to be pretty stinking healthy.
Anybody who thinks the health care system in the USofA (over the last decade or more) hasn't really been too bad, has truly been lucky enough to be pretty stinking healthy.
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I think that is a partially correct answer. Very astute. I think overall our Country does many things well, although seldom perfect. Many people want to be on healthcare to keep their SSD and SSI checks flowing. Comp is another story, same players. Still, the items listed like longevity, baby deaths, etc. are hard to fudge. Real numbers. With 60-70% of the Federal budget going to Military Offense, it is obvious why Healthcare is shorted. Lifestyle choices; look around you; do you see much fat? You know obesity to the level of bad health. Looks common as horse turds to me.
I think that is a partially correct answer. Very astute. I think overall our Country does many things well, although seldom perfect. Many people want to be on healthcare to keep their SSD and SSI checks flowing. Comp is another story, same players. Still, the items listed like longevity, baby deaths, etc. are hard to fudge. Real numbers. With 60-70% of the Federal budget going to Military Offense, it is obvious why Healthcare is shorted. Lifestyle choices; look around you; do you see much fat? You know obesity to the level of bad health. Looks common as horse turds to me.
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Thiis is a bit of an over exageration. German Doctors are some of the best in Europe. Like most countries those that can't hake it go into the military. I worked at Ft Riley Ks for 2 years and I could tell you horror stories aabout the **** thatt went on there. Also military Drs. do not need to be board certified to practice. How safe does that make you feel.
Thiis is a bit of an over exageration. German Doctors are some of the best in Europe. Like most countries those that can't hake it go into the military. I worked at Ft Riley Ks for 2 years and I could tell you horror stories aabout the **** thatt went on there. Also military Drs. do not need to be board certified to practice. How safe does that make you feel.