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New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

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In response to your rather lengthy post I need only use one sentence
JOB OPPORTUNITIES for American labor force and College graduates and young and elderly are there enough?:peace

There are 3.2 million job openings and 11.8 million people actively looking for work, not sure why you had to start including people not trying to work.
 
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There are 3.2 million job openings and 11.8 million people actively looking for work, not sure why you had to start including people not trying to work.

In my defense of that statement in past post, every time I mention the American people needs jobs , somebody comes up and says there are many American people not looking for work.

So this time I thought rather than debating over the losers of American society why not discuss the Americans that are looking for work to pay bills and to pay taxes and not finding jobs.:peace
 
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Yes, they do.
Making a living in America is a lot harder than it used to be.

To the working poor "of which there are many" they went from making a living to survival mode some time ago.:peace
 
The infant mortality rate is an absolute myth. Most of those countries don't report extreme prematures in their mortality statistics. The U.S. does.
The death by car accident statistic is misleading, because we drive far more miles then our counterparts in those countries.
Coronary heart disease is nothing new, we are the fattest country in the world.

And you are pushing excuses that do not exist and have been debunked long ago.

Premature deaths.. debunked long ago.. a lie promoted by the failing healthcare industry and right wing think tanks. All deaths are registered in the industrialized world. And any differences in when it is categorized as one thing or another, are statistically irrelevant, since the amount of premature babies is relatively quite small (no pun intended) compared to the amount of healthy babies that do survive.

Car accident deaths.. laughable. So because Japan has more sucides than anywhere else, then we also have to take those out of their statistic? How about Russia and its drinking problem.. take out drunk deaths? How about gun violence among black people.. yea lets remove all blacks from the statistics... cause you have more black people than western Europe. As I said.. laughable.

Coronary heart disease... even more laughable. Yes you are fat, but not the fattest... there are a few ahead of you.. granted they are small countries. And the Mexicans are not far behind you, nor are the Germans, and yet they have far better health statistics. And in the end how is it miss-leading in any ways?
 
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Being tall is a health risk on the order of smoking? C'mon, let's get real. Anyway, there would no point in giving tall people an incentive to be short, even if it were a health risk.
How did a matter of degree suddenly get dragged into things? Your objection here has been that you've been told that certain groups have higher health risks and costs than others, and that if those higher-risk groups are allowed to participate in health insurance pools, others will be stuck paying for them. No kidding. That's how insurance works. There are meanwhile many other such groups that you apparenly have NOT been told about who are doing exactly the same thing. I listed some of them. You do not seem to care. How odd.
 
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Yep. Just like they did in Greece, they saved so much tax money that they went broke! ;)
It's getting to where you can simply dismiss the posts of anyone who so much as mentions Greece, unless it is in the context of potentially vacationing there.
 
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In response to your rather lengthy post I need only use one sentence JOB OPPORTUNITIES for American labor force and College graduates and young and elderly are there enough?
This Just In: There are never enough. Being a job-seeker is always a difficult assignment.
 
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As we all know part time work is not to be trusted, one month you might be working 3 days a week , the next you're cut to 1 day a week and any red ink you will be looking for another job.
Judging from what gets posted at DP, there is very little that we all know. And how is what you describe any different from a supposedly full-time job from which one is repeatedly furloughed? You know -- all of a sudden there are a few unpaid holidays a month that you didn't know about?

Meanwhile, many people WISH to work part-time. They would not convert to full-time if you begged and pleaded withn them on bended knee. Others would very much rather work full-time but can't find a full-time position. These are birds of a different feather.
 
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The infant mortality rate is an absolute myth. Most of those countries don't report extreme prematures in their mortality statistics. The U.S. does.
The death by car accident statistic is misleading, because we drive far more miles then our counterparts in those countries. Coronary heart disease is nothing new, we are the fattest country in the world.
Gee, the standard phony and misleading excuses have been regurgitated once again. And with the usual phony authoritative swagger as well.
 
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This Just In: There are never enough. Being a job-seeker is always a difficult assignment.

Old news in the history of America there has never been enough jobs.

However, due to increased outsourcing there are many less jobs.
Point is simple if there is not enough jobs to start with, making less jobs for Americans is not logical.:peace
 
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Judging from what gets posted at DP, there is very little that we all know. And how is what you describe any different from a supposedly full-time job from which one is repeatedly furloughed? You know -- all of a sudden there are a few unpaid holidays a month that you didn't know about?

Meanwhile, many people WISH to work part-time. They would not convert to full-time if you begged and pleaded withn them on bended knee. Others would very much rather work full-time but can't find a full-time position. These are birds of a different feather.

Of the people wanting to work part time without stocks or investments or a fixed retirement income, how many have houses or cars ?

Full time work does cover insurance co pays.
Full time work there is a chance "though slim" of a raise or advancement or even a retirement plan.

What does part time work offer? more hours, maybe, less hours probable.:peace
 
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If you would take the time to learn about single payer plans you would know they are not free, but they do reduce the costs of health care.

Of course, because liberals always go for the most efficient programs. :roll:
 
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Of course, because liberals always go for the most efficient programs. :roll:

Are you saying every other industrialized nation in the world is liberal?
 
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Old news in the history of America there has never been enough jobs. However, due to increased outsourcing there are many less jobs. Point is simple if there is not enough jobs to start with, making less jobs for Americans is not logical.
Outsourcing is only the more visible side of the globalization coin. Trade has created thousands upon thousands of new jobs. One or two at a time instead of hundreds at a time as would be the case with a typical plant closing. TV reporters show up and record sob-story interviews when plants close. I can hear them now. So can you. Nobody shows up when a contract renewal with Brazil leads me to hire two more guys for the night shift.
 
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Of the people wanting to work part time without stocks or investments or a fixed retirement income, how many have houses or cars ? Full time work does cover insurance co pays. Full time work there is a chance "though slim" of a raise or advancement or even a retirement plan. What does part time work offer? more hours, maybe, less hours probable.:peace
You're pretty much not familair with the wide, wide world of part-time work. It comes in pretty much all the same flavors as full-time work. Check it out sometime.
 
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You're pretty much not familair with the wide, wide world of part-time work. It comes in pretty much all the same flavors as full-time work. Check it out sometime.

I work about 8hrs/week and make more than the avg american
 
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I work about 8hrs/week and make more than the avg american
I'm down to charity-related work plus enough real work on things I'm interested in to keep in touch with the world. But such anecdotes don't fully serve to make the readily apparent case that what some people are talking about is a crude stereotype of "part time", a one-size-fits-all cartoon that doesn't match up at all well with the reality that millions live every day.
 
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Outsourcing is only the more visible side of the globalization coin. Trade has created thousands upon thousands of new jobs. One or two at a time instead of hundreds at a time as would be the case with a typical plant closing. TV reporters show up and record sob-story interviews when plants close. I can hear them now. So can you. Nobody shows up when a contract renewal with Brazil leads me to hire two more guys for the night shift.

Correct me if I'm wrong but globalization is supposed to be a competitive market.
America can not compete in a Globalized market if the depend on other nations for the following.
LABOR OUTSOURCED
ENERGY BOUGHT FROM THE MIDEAST
ELECTRONICS JAPAN, TAI WAN, CHINA
TRANSPORTATION FOREIGN MADE CARS OR American cars made by foreign labor with foreign parts.
COMPUTERS CHINA WHETHER MADE THERE OR CHINESE ON VISA CARDS

Your anology of Brazil hiring more workers is quite favorable.
However, although I can not speak for others on this thread I DO NOT LIVE IN BRAZIL I LIVE IN AMERICA
I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ECONOMIC STRUCTURE OF BRAZIL.
I DO HOWEVER PAY TAXES IN AMERICA.:peace
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but globalization is supposed to be a competitive market.
America can not compete in a Globalized market if the depend on other nations for the following.
LABOR OUTSOURCED
ENERGY BOUGHT FROM THE MIDEAST
ELECTRONICS JAPAN, TAI WAN, CHINA
TRANSPORTATION FOREIGN MADE CARS OR American cars made by foreign labor with foreign parts.
COMPUTERS CHINA WHETHER MADE THERE OR CHINESE ON VISA CARDS

Your anology of Brazil hiring more workers is quite favorable.
However, although I can not speak for others on this thread I DO NOT LIVE IN BRAZIL I LIVE IN AMERICA
I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ECONOMIC STRUCTURE OF BRAZIL.
I DO HOWEVER PAY TAXES IN AMERICA.:peace

What century are you living in
 
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You're pretty much not familair with the wide, wide world of part-time work. It comes in pretty much all the same flavors as full-time work. Check it out sometime.

Well I've worked 2 part time jobs , I've worked 1 full time job and 1 part time job, I've worked split shift and swing shift.

So, I guess I might know a little about the workings of how company and labor works in America unless things have changed.

However, I must admit I'm more interested in other things in America besides part time work.
Perhaps you've heard of it it's called the tax revenue of America, or you could call it "HOW'S THE CURRENT ECONOMIC STRUCTURE IN AMERICA WORKING TODAY???:peace
 
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Well I've worked 2 part time jobs , I've worked 1 full time job and 1 part time job, I've worked split shift and swing shift.

So, I guess I might know a little about the workings of how company and labor works in America unless things have changed.

However, I must admit I'm more interested in other things in America besides part time work.
Perhaps you've heard of it it's called the tax revenue of America, or you could call it "HOW'S THE CURRENT ECONOMIC STRUCTURE IN AMERICA WORKING TODAY???:peace

I'm not sure.
Unemployment is high, the government at every level is broke.
Yet, you go into a store, and people are there buying. You go out on the roads, and they are crowded with mostly late model cars, some with expensive nameplates: Mercedes, Lexus, Infinity. You go to a restaurant, and the tables are full. According to the news, the Dow broke 14,000.

How is the economy doing overall?
 
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I'm not sure.
Unemployment is high, the government at every level is broke.
Yet, you go into a store, and people are there buying. You go out on the roads, and they are crowded with mostly late model cars, some with expensive nameplates: Mercedes, Lexus, Infinity. You go to a restaurant, and the tables are full. According to the news, the Dow broke 14,000. but in this case

How is the economy doing overall?

Never was one to answer a question with a question, however in a situation as this, WELL.

What is the current Credit Card debt in America today?

Perhaps that is too much of a speculation.

America's population today there are those "well off" and those well, financially in trouble. this is fact.

I would say if you were to try to balance the two the scales would tip very strongly in one direction, it would not be for those doing well.

If that is not enough the scales are tipping more everyday, and not to the "well off side".:peace
 
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Never was one to answer a question with a question, however in a situation as this, WELL.

What is the current Credit Card debt in America today?

Perhaps that is too much of a speculation.

America's population today there are those "well off" and those well, financially in trouble. this is fact.

I would say if you were to try to balance the two the scales would tip very strongly in one direction, it would not be for those doing well.

If that is not enough the scales are tipping more everyday, and not to the "well off side".:peace

It does seem that the number of people in the "not doing well" category is increasing, and yet, there are those crowded stores and nice cars on the highways.

Is all that really paid for by credit card? That can't be sustainable. The interest on credit cares approaches usury.
 
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I'm not sure.
Unemployment is high, the government at every level is broke.
Yet, you go into a store, and people are there buying. You go out on the roads, and they are crowded with mostly late model cars, some with expensive nameplates: Mercedes, Lexus, Infinity. You go to a restaurant, and the tables are full. According to the news, the Dow broke 14,000.

How is the economy doing overall?

Cars in the driveway are often as rented as the furniture in the living room :shock:
 
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