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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    deal last on a list of 17 seems bad..... #17 out of 196.... not so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Londoner View Post
    The *only* cause?

    Yes, the primary one. It has been happenning for some time and to the tune of "levelling the playing field".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Londoner View Post
    Yeah, but most of the rest of them are a lot poorer than America. This is a list of *developed* countries.
    We also have a much higher population than those "developed" countries as well. The only nation on the list that even comes close to matching ours is Japan, and they're short about 200 million. Makes a pretty huge difference, since higher numbers of people will mean that we have a higher number of crimes and health issues than nations with a vastly smaller population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    For whom? You? I suppose if you have a standard insurance plan then yea you might be paying for fat people, but your also paying for people with other health problems as well. Thats the nature of insurance. Risk pool. Duhh.

    I dont pay for fat people directly. I pay cash and very very good discounts. I do have an insurance plan. I am sure I am paying for all sorts of people and lifestyles as part of the premium.
    I'm sure you are, too. Moreover, when you do need that insurance plan, you will also be paying more as a copay, deductible, or whatever else you must pay. The health care providers are not in business for their health, you know. If some of the patients aren't paying, the rest have to make it up. If some require more care than they can afford, then the rest of us take up the slack.

    Like it or not, that's reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm sure you are, too. Moreover, when you do need that insurance plan, you will also be paying more as a copay, deductible, or whatever else you must pay. The health care providers are not in business for their health, you know. If some of the patients aren't paying, the rest have to make it up. If some require more care than they can afford, then the rest of us take up the slack.

    Like it or not, that's reality.
    Like I said I have a very high deductable plan with a very cheap premium. Its actual insurance. You dont use unless you are in serious deep kimchi. Like holes being plugged, kindneys being replaced, livers repaired. That sort of thing. Most peoples insurance is prepaid medical and thats why its so bloody expensive. Between my deductable my insurance payment and what I normaly spend in a year on medical expences for the familiy I am currently at a twentieth of what a normal health care premium would be. Hell even when I was building up the deductable reserve I was still at a third the cost. Another secret is that because I have a subsantial deductable saved up in the HSA there are now years were the health care for the year is paid for by the interest on the account investments and we actually make a small bit of money. Further there is enough in the dedcutable right now to be able to substantialy pay for major surgeries without tapping into the insurance. Which means to me that fat people dont effect MY premiums as much as they effect yours. Simple mathmatics I pay less premium therefore the cost a fat person would add is corispondingly less. My insurance is very simple. There are no bells and whistles. If I or my family needs to access it, it will pay 100% including corrisponding perscriptions and any anccileraries after the deductable which is substantial, about 25,000. However the cap is 10,000,000. Thats a lot of hospital care. Between this and the familiy cash only physician theres very little we actually subsidize with our medical dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Did anyone actually read this POS spun article? Some things they calculate per capita, others they go per 100K.
    Seriously...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Thiis is a bit of an over exageration. German Doctors are some of the best in Europe. Like most countries those that can't hake it go into the military. I worked at Ft Riley Ks for 2 years and I could tell you horror stories aabout the **** thatt went on there. Also military Drs. do not need to be board certified to practice. How safe does that make you feel.
    safer than working with german doctors,because with american field medics i dont have to explain what an allergy is or show them how to diagnose back problems.when the avg military soldier in the us knows more than the avg civilian german doctor we had in afghanistan,we lost all faith in their system.

    we pretty much used the german hospital when we needed x-rays because they had the machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Except that's not why we've become less competitive. The long death of our manufacturing sector is the cause of that one.
    While recent data from China are unclear, we are at worst now neck and neck with them as the largest manufacturing economies in the world. Of course, the number of our manufacturing jobs has declined, even as output has soared. Every one of the world's twelve largest manufacturing economies ahs lost manufacturing jobs since the mid-1990's. China in that time has lost more manufacturing jobs than the US has. US losses have been about average for the group. Like agriculture a century or so ago, manufacturing has lost any ability it may once have had to provide jobs for the masses. People need to get used to it.

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    Something else the US typically ranks last in is deaths from amenable causes. That's deaths from things like appendicitis or whooping cough (among dozens of others) where death is 100% preventable given timely intervention using standard medical practice. We can't seem to do that.

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