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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    NCLB was a cosmetic name change. The unfunded mandate requiring all states to implement standardized statewide testing was indeed a gift to Business Roundtable types of up to $5 billion per year. And Bush indeed had a long-time relationship with Harold McGraw, but McGraw-Hill, was only one of the beneficiaries. People like Houghton-Mifflin, and Harcourt made out well also as did a couple of startup outifts, such as Ignite! Learning (founded by Neil Bush) and K-12, Inc. (owned by Bill Bennett). Just more Kenny-Boy crony capitalism by Bush.
    Finally, we can agree on something.

    Which, of course, means that you're right some of the time.

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    LOL! Race to the Top is a natonal contest funded out of ARRA that gives money to schools instead of taking it away. It is a shift-the-focus effort based on local creativity and innovation, that looks as much at the conditions, methods, and efforts of principals and teachers as at those of students. It does not focus on simple testing, but rather on building a much broader set of goals and standards. Students after all attend a school, but it is teachers and administrators make it.
    Correct, but to participate in "race to the top" schools have to use the standardized test results to evaluate teachers. Locally, the school district and the union just had a knock down, drag out fight about that one. The school district won.

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    Ah, the Bizarro Constitution is brought into play once again. What a useless document THAT piece of trash is!
    Thank you for that. Now, we know the basis for your political philosophy.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    You realize that China's large trade surpluses give them huge amounts of foreign exchange reserves? Those are big piles of money that are not renminbi. What do you expect them to do with those piles, the largest one of which is US dollars?


    The bailouts were not for the benefit of the banks or bankers, but for the benefit of the hundreds of millions whose lives and interests would have been crushed in a global financial system collapse that was looming ever closer. Some people are like the nearly-drowned man who complains that his life-preserver chafed a little bit as he was being dragged from the water.


    All manner of loons have been promising a better tomorrow for eons, but as bad as their plans virtually always are, it's the burning everything down first part that I actually object to.
    I don't live in China I live in America , what China does with their money is not my concern what America does with taxpayer money is.


    Perhaps if America competed in a global society instead of depending on the labor, products, and energy of other nations.
    They would have a life preserver of the American consumers instead of crying like a bitch to the American government for more money.

    Sorry I disagree with your statement because of two facts.
    1 If it's working don't fix it
    2 If it's broke try something different.

    Can you actually say without a doubt the current economic system is the best America can do and is working fine?

    Perhaps being in more debt has become the new way of doing business in America, but not for this American, and I don't think I am alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Correct, but to participate in "race to the top" schools have to use the standardized test results to evaluate teachers.
    No, that wasn't even a part of NCLB. Students and schools were rated, but not teachers. And more than half the states aren't actually subject to much of NCLB anymore anyway. RTTT actively pushes away from that idea by encouraging schools to adopt common goals and standards, but to rely on broad and locally developed measures for evaluating progress and assessing the contributions of both teachers and administrators. Scores on the range of tests that students take might well be used in many systems, but the days of high-stakes testing as the pass-fail holy grail for anybody are over in most places now and soon will be everywhere else.

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    Locally, the school district and the union just had a knock down, drag out fight about that one. The school district won.
    Likely a matter of contract law. The Feds only define the playing field. The rules of the game are still state and local matters.

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    Thank you for that. Now, we know the basis for your political philosophy.
    There has of late been a great deal of dumbing-down done and disinformation written about the US Constitution. When people start in with their whining about how the Feds are exceeding their Constitutional authority, it is an almost sure bet that the whiner has dumped the US Constitution in favor of the Bizarro Constitution.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    No, that wasn't even a part of NCLB. Students and schools were rated, but not teachers. And more than half the states aren't actually subject to much of NCLB anymore anyway. RTTT actively pushes away from that idea by encouraging schools to adopt common goals and standards, but to rely on broad and locally developed measures for evaluating progress and assessing the contributions of both teachers and administrators. Scores on the range of tests that students take might well be used in many systems, but the days of high-stakes testing as the pass-fail holy grail for anybody are over in most places now and soon will be everywhere else.


    Likely a matter of contract law. The Feds only define the playing field. The rules of the game are still state and local matters.


    There has of late been a great deal of dumbing-down done and disinformation written about the US Constitution. When people start in with their whining about how the Feds are exceeding their Constitutional authority, it is an almost sure bet that the whiner has dumped the US Constitution in favor of the Bizarro Constitution.
    Race to the top:

    Attracting and keeping great teachers and leaders in America’s classrooms, by expanding effective support to teachers and principals; reforming and improving teacher preparation; revising teacher evaluation, compensation, and retention policies to encourage and reward effectiveness;
    California recently enacted legislation to enable student achievement data to be linked to teacher and principal performance. Indiana now permits the use of student performance data for teacher evaluation and Wisconsin, with the support of the state teachers union, has recently introduced and is considering legislation to do the same. New York is also considering similar legislation.
    Student achievement data means the results of the end of the year test that has to be given under NCLB. They may talk about "multiple measures", but there no data from reading inventories, writing samples, math samples, teacher made tests, or anything else other than the test. In California, that means the STAR test.

    This much is true:
    No, that wasn't even a part of NCLB. Students and schools were rated, but not teachers
    Under the "race to the top", teachers are also rated based on the students' performance on the big test.

    Now, the Constitution: I suppose it must be the "Bizarro" one that includes the tenth amendment, the one that prohibits taking life, liberty, or property without due process, the one that gives Congress the power to declare war, and provides for a balance of powers, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Race to the top:
    Thank you for confirming the ongoing phase-out of NCLB and its still in progress in some places replacement by the ARRA-funded Race to the Top which rewards successful schools rather than punishing those that fall behind while putting an end to the era of high-stakes testing and bringing evaluations of teachers and administrators to the fore for the first time. It doesn't sound like California is exactly on the cutting edge here however. As we know, California suffers from being a liberal cesspool created by such ultra-Keynesians as Arnold Schwarzenegger and Howard Jarvis, so I guess that's only to be expected. A lack (including removal if necessary) of any impediments to access regarrding any state-maintained education data in a form that allows linking to individual schools, teachers, and administrators has been one of the conditions for state participation in RTTT from the beginning. The intent is to de-emphasize, not eliminate, statewide testing as reflected in the fact that student achievement as defined in RTTT refers to results in tested grades from any testing administered under ESEA plus other measures of student learning that are rigorous and comparable across classrooms. Systems to foster development and implementation of the latter within Local Education Agencies are one of the key points of RTTT as it seeks to put more of the education system into the decentralized hands of those who know the effects of the system best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Now, the Constitution: I suppose it must be the "Bizarro" one that includes the tenth amendment, the one that prohibits taking life, liberty, or property without due process, the one that gives Congress the power to declare war, and provides for a balance of powers, correct?
    I actually know of the document's particulars only second-hand from being so regularly informed of various of its provisions by right-wing whackos, but principally the Bizarro Constitution (BC) seems to be even weaker than the Articles of Confederation, conferring no power at all upon the federal government that the whacko in question personally objects to. It seems quite fair to conclude that the BC states that no power can exist that hasn't been specifically enumerated, that any enumeration at all was probably a mistake and therefore not part of original intent, and that whatever survives follows rather peculiar rules of grammar and syntax that serve to make it all but unintelligible to liberals. That's sort of a short-form overview from recent recollection. Perhaps some BC scholars will happen along and flesh things out a little for us.

    As far as the US Constitution goes, the Tenth Amendment is of course entirely residual, conferring no actual power upon anyone, due process is mentioned and protected in both the 5th and 14th Amendments, while the Congressional power to declare war is found in Article 1. While it may effect a balance of powers, the concept per se is not introduced.

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