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    Re: We're Number......LAST

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    Man, it's like a Grover Norquist zombie post.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Sure, just agree to pay a bunch of higher prices instead. We voted on that. Outsourcing won. Higher prices lost.


    No, you're mistaken alright. Even in countries run by harsh communist dictators, GDP is based on the output of real goods and services. That's why it's called Gross Domestic PRODUCT, not Gross Domestic MONEY.


    In the real world, the people you want to call loan sharks are crawling across the floor and begging Please, please, please, take my money. You can pay me almost no interest at all. That would be wonderful in fact, just please take my money.


    Gotta love it. So what does the new and better system look like again? People who don't know and can't explain how the current model is put together want to burn it to the ground in a belief that they'll figure out a way to raise up a new and better phoenix from the ashes. It's all a bunch of pie-in-the-sky hooey.
    If Americans were paid a higher wage they would in fact pay a higher wage.
    Higher prices may have won but so did low stagnent wage.

    The output of real goods and services? MADE IN China, Japan Tai Wan, Mexico
    Imports vs exports how balanvced are they??

    I can't see China begging America to take their money but I could see American politicians begging China for a loan. Just as I can see corporations begging American taxpayers for money during a bailout.


    Perhaps it is the pie in the sky possibility , is that not better than the debt ridden, IOU ridden system we have now?
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I am making a good argument for lazy ****s to go back to work.
    Uhhh, how many people are on TANF and what is their average age. Come on, you can say it?

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Bush abandoned Afghanistan. Which is why Obama had to go back. Bush then got us quagmired in Iraq for no reason at all. Obama got us out of that. Couldn't necessarily save the dishes and silverware, but indeed we are out after proving only that some people learned nothing from Vietnam. Oh, and that bin Laden guy is dead too.


    LOL! Policy doesnt enter into it. Since 1969, we've had a budget deficit every year but four. All under Clinton. But thanks to Bush, you will not live to see that happen again.


    Got history? Attempts to get a national health insurance program in place in this country go back nearly a century to the AALL/AMA effort just before WWI. It was overtaken by events. The Depression and WWII overshadowed further efforts such as those by the CCMC and FDR's National Health Act of 1939. Truman pushed hard for a national single-payer plan after the war, but in the era of the Red Scare, idiot reactionaries were able to associate it with Communism and it too died. In the 1950's, progressives changed tactics and in the end were able to pass Medicare and Medicaid. Nixon and Ted Kennedy were very close to agreement on a national health care program, but it was overtaken by Watergate. Clinton's efforts in the early 1990's followed some earlier ones in falling victim to tactical errors. Finally, Obama came around to the back door and had Congress write the plan and HCR was passed at last. Bush? Not a player.


    DOEd has been there since Carter. No one intends to knock it down. Big words are all hot air.


    Again, the history. NCLB originated under LBJ. Bush just changed the name in 2001 because at that time, he wanted to be "The Education President" when he grew up. Curricula are of course defined at the state and local level and so is testing. Testing was obviously not new either, but high-stakes "teaching to the test" was, and nobody much liked that or the unfunded mandate part of things or the draining of funds out of schools that needed them most. As the result, NCLB was essentially gutted by Obama in 2011. His new bill was passed in the Senate, but faced yet another partisan blockade over in the House. So Obama used an Executive Order to provide waivers to more than half the states (the ones with a lot of at-risk kids and schools), removing them from coverage under the act. NCLB is effectively dead. You think killing it is the same as supporting it.


    You didn't do your homework. But you can copy off mine if you like and impress friends and family with how much you learned in school today.
    NCLB passed in 2001. Was LBJ president in your parallel universe in 2001?

    The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (NCLB)[1][2] is a United States Act of Congress that is a reauthorization of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, which included Title I, the government's flagship aid program for disadvantaged students.[3] NCLB supports standards-based education reform based on the premise that setting high standards and establishing measurable goals can improve individual outcomes in education. The Act requires states to develop assessments in basic skills. States must give these assessments to all students at select grade levels in order to receive federal school funding. The Act does not assert a national achievement standard; standards are set by each individual state.[4] NCLB expanded the federal role in public education through annual testing, annual academic progress, report cards, teacher qualifications, and funding changes.[3]
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang
    Again, the history. NCLB originated under LBJ. Bush just changed the name in 2001 because at that time, he wanted to be "The Education President" when he grew up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    NCLB passed in 2001. Was LBJ president in your parallel universe in 2001?

    In the very first sentence of your link is this "...reauthorization of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act."

    Which leads to this...

    The Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) (Pub.L. 89–10, 79 Stat. 27, 20 U.S.C. ch.70), is a United States federal statute enacted April 11, 1965. It was passed as a part of President Lyndon B. Johnson's "War on Poverty" and has been the most far-reaching federal legislation affecting education ever passed by Congress.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    In the very first sentence of your link is this "...reauthorization of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act."

    Which leads to this...
    the ESEA goes back many years, yes.
    NCLB was a creation of the Bush WH, most likely due to the friendship between the Bushes and the Hills of McGraw/Hill, publishers of the test.

    The Obama WH doubled down on NCLB by pressuring school districts to use the test as a teacher evaluation tool. They called it "Race to the Top."

    All this bureaucratic BS is the result of the federal government sticking its nose where the Constitution doesn't give it the power to stick its nose.
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    I love the title of this thread.

    Dead last is exactly what I want to be, everyone else can go first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I can't see China begging America to take their money but I could see American politicians begging China for a loan.
    You realize that China's large trade surpluses give them huge amounts of foreign exchange reserves? Those are big piles of money that are not renminbi. What do you expect them to do with those piles, the largest one of which is US dollars?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Just as I can see corporations begging American taxpayers for money during a bailout.
    The bailouts were not for the benefit of the banks or bankers, but for the benefit of the hundreds of millions whose lives and interests would have been crushed in a global financial system collapse that was looming ever closer. Some people are like the nearly-drowned man who complains that his life-preserver chafed a little bit as he was being dragged from the water.

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Perhaps it is the pie in the sky possibility , is that not better than the debt ridden, IOU ridden system we have now?.
    All manner of loons have been promising a better tomorrow for eons, but as bad as their plans virtually always are, it's the burning everything down first part that I actually object to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    the ESEA goes back many years, yes. NCLB was a creation of the Bush WH, most likely due to the friendship between the Bushes and the Hills of McGraw/Hill, publishers of the test.
    NCLB was a cosmetic name change. The unfunded mandate requiring all states to implement standardized statewide testing was indeed a gift to Business Roundtable types of up to $5 billion per year. And Bush indeed had a long-time relationship with Harold McGraw, but McGraw-Hill, was only one of the beneficiaries. People like Houghton-Mifflin, and Harcourt made out well also as did a couple of startup outifts, such as Ignite! Learning (founded by Neil Bush) and K-12, Inc. (owned by Bill Bennett). Just more Kenny-Boy crony capitalism by Bush.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The Obama WH doubled down on NCLB by pressuring school districts to use the test as a teacher evaluation tool. They called it "Race to the Top."
    LOL! Race to the Top is a natonal contest funded out of ARRA that gives money to schools instead of taking it away. It is a shift-the-focus effort based on local creativity and innovation, that looks as much at the conditions, methods, and efforts of principals and teachers as at those of students. It does not focus on simple testing, but rather on building a much broader set of goals and standards. Students after all attend a school, but it is teachers and administrators make it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    All this bureaucratic BS is the result of the federal government sticking its nose where the Constitution doesn't give it the power to stick its nose.
    Ah, the Bizarro Constitution is brought into play once again. What a useless document THAT piece of trash is!

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