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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    AS, I really respect you and the way you post, even when I disagree with you, but that was a total dodge.

    So if you don't think economic status should be the only criteria, feel free to name any nation that you feel should have been included in the comparison and why they should have been included.
    For one - the list is mostly European nations . . . except for 3.

    Comparing populated with rural and religious with non religious (etc - since these things also have proven to heavily govern healthcare access and general health due to lifestyle) . . adding these because related cultures are sorely unrepresented - mostly the list is European.

    Countries which we share some similarities with:
    China
    Greenland
    Brazile
    Turkey
    Israel
    Russian Federation (broken into it's components)
    India
    Panama
    South Africa

    For stark contrast (entirely different in every way)
    Cuba
    Micronesia (all it's islander components)
    Morocco
    Madagascar

    Then focusing on states that are likely different than the rest of the US because of population / culture / religious contrasts:
    Hawaii
    Texas
    Colorado
    Minnesota
    Maine
    Alaska
    Mississippi
    The Virginias
    The Dakotas
    Vermont

    And instead of ranking I'd factor out weighted averages . . . it's more accurate.

    By subdividing all things and then weighing the nation based on the sum of it's parts you get a better idea of where a nation is excelling, ok, and struggling . . . to write off all nations who are economically 'less' than us as being 'all miserably failling' is possibly overlooking some crucial and beneficial facts.

    Some of these countries receive a lot of support and care from other governments and religious organizations - that would be interesting to study. How much of an impact do they have: 20 years ago VS today . . . how much attention is being given to said impact. . . and so on.
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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Minnesota, 2012

    "A fiscal study by the Lewin Group found that single payer would cover all Minnesota residents and reduce total health spending by $4.1 billion, or 8.8 percent, in 2014, and would save $189.5 billion from 2014-2023 over what health care costs in Minnesota would be under the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

    The plan would cover most medically necessary care with the exception of home care (outside of what is now covered by Medicare) and nursing home care, and would eliminate most cost-sharing, except for some small co-pays on specialty care and medications (medications for chronic conditions would be excluded from cost-sharing). Lewin estimated that single payer would save employers currently offering coverage an average of $1,214 per worker, and save an average of $1,362 for families. Employers not currently providing coverage would pay an additional $1,963 per worker annually. Single payer could be financed with existing sources of taxpayer funding for health care (including subsidies from the ACA) combined with an average 7.2 percent effective payroll tax on employers, a 3 percent income tax on family adjusted gross income, and cigarette ($1.00/pack) and alcohol taxes (5 cents per drink)."

    Single Payer System Cost? | Physicians for a National Health Program
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Surrender, get real, a maker-me, will never surrender to a taker- you
    Gotta love that leftover Romney-speak. What a doofus. Don't hear much from him here lately though. Kind of like Bush. Just another Republican run out of town on a rail. And to think that he ACTUALLY WAS the best candidate the Republicans had.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    First we have to clean up the mess left by conservative Bush's misrule, including the financial meltdown, the bailout, and two unfunded wars. Then after we fix up the problems left by failed conservative politicies, growth with take care of debt.
    Sure, sure, and we can start cleaning up the mess right after the fourth Bush/Obama term.

    If, that is, we elect someone who is actually different, and if Congress ever gets its act together.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The facts are there are no first world nations clamoring to switch to a US style health care system.

    Here's a Map of the Countries That Provide Universal Health Care (America's Still Not on It) - Max Fisher - The Atlantic
    This link clearly shows what socialized medicine on borrowed money does to a nation:

    Europe's collapse: So much for socialized medicine? - The Week

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Gotta love that leftover Romney-speak. What a doofus. Don't hear much from him here lately though. Kind of like Bush. Just another Republican run out of town on a rail. And to think that he ACTUALLY WAS the best candidate the Republicans had.
    I would hate to be an idiot that voted for Obama who is literally running the country in the ground.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Actually the US remains the top manufacturer in the world. But leaving that aside, the problem of outsourcing is somewhat easily solved: ban it or tax it.

    However, this isn't relevant to GDP growth, which happens due to productivity gains and the inherent advantages of the American economy (if not eviscerated by failed conservative policies).
    I agree the problem with outsourcing can be easily solved

    However GDP growth in a capitalist country such as America unless I'm mistaken is based on money in circulation.
    Which comes from American people having money.

    Asking for money from GDP growth in America in America's current financial condition would be like going to a loan shark for 15 trillion and then going to another loan shark to pay off the 15 trillion.
    Instead of one loan shark with interest you will have two loan sharks with interest you have to pay back.

    In 2003 some of Americans begin to question the new economic system in America.
    We were told then "NO PROBLEM AMERICA'S GDP IS DOING GREAT".
    Again in 2005 and 2010 we were told pretty much the same thing.

    However it is 2013 check the debt, check the IOU'S, check the unemployment.
    The current economic system is not working it didn't work under the Republicans, and after 4 years the Democrats should know by now it is not working for them either.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    This link clearly shows what socialized medicine on borrowed money does to a nation:
    Never mind that the supposed article is three years old and has the vanished Cheesehead Paul Ryan as its point man. National health care systems do a better job for less money. The losing proposition is the one boneheads have been trying to run here. PPACA starts the process of USA CHANGE. Please stand back of the white line along the platform.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sure, sure, and we can start cleaning up the mess right after the fourth Bush/Obama term.
    Bush and Obama are almost polar opposites. Of course, they have travel on Air Firce One in common, and they both do wear blue ties or red ties quite often. Maybe that and a bunch of similalr things are what's thrown you off.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Bush and Obama are almost polar opposites. Of course, they have travel on Air Firce One in common, and they both do wear blue ties or red ties quite often. Maybe that and a bunch of similalr things are what's thrown you off.
    Similar things like Obama continuing the Bush policies in Iraq and Afganistan, like Obama continuing the Bush policy of deficit spending, of Obama doubling down on Bush's idea of providing more government sponsored health care, of Obama continuing and expanding the Department of Education and its No Child Left Behind test centered curriculum, yes, similar things like that lead me to believe that they're pretty much alike.
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