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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Failing for those too stupid to look out for themselves, I agree.
    I accept your surrender and the fact that you are too incurious to look up the meaning of pay-for-service in the health care context.

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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Advanced economies. Comparing us to Somalia is a bit unfair. But with the help of the GOP, we may reach Somalia status soon.
    So - only those 17 countries are on par with us, economically?

    It's a crap shot of a 'case' - and you know it . . . and is only seen in full light when you don't cherry pick who else you discuss - unless, of course you're not wanting to learn and instead you're wanting to jump to conclusions and make certain countries just look bad.

    Last but not least - the Democratic party has had it's hand in so much over the last decades and look - we still have these 'numbers' to cherish, here . . . so that argument goes nowhere as well.
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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So - only those 17 countries are on par with us, economically?

    It's a crap shot of a 'case' - and you know it . . . and is only seen in full light when you don't cherry pick who else you discuss - unless, of course you're not wanting to learn and instead you're wanting to jump to conclusions and make certain countries just look bad.

    Last but not least - the Democratic party has had it's hand in so much over the last decades and look - we still have these 'numbers' to cherish, here . . . so that argument goes nowhere as well.
    The study tries to compare apples with apples. Why does that offend you? Would you rather compare the US with Cuba? Wait, Cuba does quite well in a comparison of health outcomes with the US. Go figure.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I accept your surrender and the fact that you are too incurious to look up the meaning of pay-for-service in the health care context.
    Surrender, get real, a maker-me, will never surrender to a taker- you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    How many co workers do you have setting up internet sites so links can be provided? Someone needs to grow up.
    The facts are there are no first world nations clamoring to switch to a US style health care system.

    Here's a Map of the Countries That Provide Universal Health Care (America's Still Not on It) - Max Fisher - The Atlantic
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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    The study tries to compare apples with apples. Why does that offend you? Would you rather compare the US with Cuba? Wait, Cuba does quite well in a comparison of health outcomes with the US. Go figure.
    17 nations hardly make an accurate portrait - the idea behind looking at such skimmed statistics is to compare, contrast - and then learn what can be done differently. . . statistics serve purpose.

    This does none of that - and 17 is far too few . . . to identify the areas that need improvements and how best to improve them you cannot write off other nations that are economically eschew . . . you should look at them and figure out *how* does economics impact their healthcare - - and seek out other factors to compare other than 'how we rank amid these 6 statistics' . . . The op is not a serious effort to understand and pick it apart to suggest improvements and issues.
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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    17 nations hardly make an accurate portrait - the idea behind looking at such skimmed statistics is to compare, contrast - and then learn what can be done differently. . . statistics serve purpose.

    This does none of that - and 17 is far too few . . . to identify the areas that need improvements and how best to improve them you cannot write off other nations that are economically eschew . . . you should look at them and figure out *how* does economics impact their healthcare - - and seek out other factors to compare other than 'how we rank amid these 6 statistics' . . . The op is not a serious effort to understand and pick it apart to suggest improvements and issues.

    What countries do you feel have similar economic status to that of the US that are not on the list of 17?
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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What countries do you feel have similar economic status to that of the US that are not on the list of 17?
    More importantly: Does it all rest on economics? What other countries might be better off - yet not on par economically . . . why? Also - cultural and social norms that we share, political views, the approach to providing healthcare and cost-control, geography and how it affects accessibility (to hospitals - of medicines) and so on . . . etc. You need variety to really see where a country lies.

    And since healthcare can vary widely in the US between professions I'd also contrast that - professions, states, types of insurance, etc.

    If I was really hammering down on this to really get a sense of where we were - compared to where others were (huge variety - top to bottom) - and then defining where we want to be and how we *might* be able to get there (different paths).
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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    More importantly: Does it all rest on economics? What other countries might be better off - yet not on par economically . . . why? Also - cultural and social norms that we share, political views, the approach to providing healthcare and cost-control, geography and how it affects accessibility (to hospitals - of medicines) and so on . . . etc. You need variety to really see where a country lies.

    And since healthcare can vary widely in the US between professions I'd also contrast that - professions, states, types of insurance, etc.

    If I was really hammering down on this to really get a sense of where we were - compared to where others were (huge variety - top to bottom) - and then defining where we want to be and how we *might* be able to get there (different paths).
    AS, I really respect you and the way you post, even when I disagree with you, but that was a total dodge.

    So if you don't think economic status should be the only criteria, feel free to name any nation that you feel should have been included in the comparison and why they should have been included.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    More importantly: Does it all rest on economics? What other countries might be better off - yet not on par economically . . . why? Also - cultural and social norms that we share, political views, the approach to providing healthcare and cost-control, geography and how it affects accessibility (to hospitals - of medicines) and so on . . . etc. You need variety to really see where a country lies.

    And since healthcare can vary widely in the US between professions I'd also contrast that - professions, states, types of insurance, etc.

    If I was really hammering down on this to really get a sense of where we were - compared to where others were (huge variety - top to bottom) - and then defining where we want to be and how we *might* be able to get there (different paths).

    I don't see how you could make any valid comparison of health care systems without choosing countries of similar economic status. I am curious, why do you think Canada switched from our type of system to Universal Health Care?
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