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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    With some fits and starts here and there, we've been running up the public debt since 1836. Really fast during times of national emergency, not usually so fast in other times. Nobody ever paid off our WWII debts. We just keep rolling them over. That very much is the American way. And no one much cared about it until January 20, 2009. Then all of a sudden it was time for outrage over spending and debt. Kind of odd when you stop and think about it.

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    Yada, yada, yada. The best we can do for posterity is to get this Great Bush Recession mess cleaned up and out of their way. That's going to take some money.
    I know America has had debt in the past I spoke about it from Regan until now.so you been looking in the wrong places.

    However, when America breaks the record on debt owed by a Trillion dollars , "that's with a T" other people than I start to question the current economic system.

    When America "a capitalist country" borrows money from China "a communist country" while questioning their human rights issue, again other people than I will question the current economic system in America.

    When the bulk of American products is based on foreign labor , foreign energy, foreign products and foreign imports , other people than I will question the current economic system in America.

    "THE BEST WE CAN DO"? Isn't that a politicians phrase?
    Money on top of the 15 trillion America owes?

    Where do you plan on getting this money from.,
    TAXES? MAYBE BUDGET CUTS?,OR MAYBE THE RICH, OR THE POOR OR THE MIDDLE CLASS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    First we have to clean up the mess left by conservative Bush's misrule, including the financial meltdown, the bailout, and two unfunded wars. Then after we fix up the problems left by failed conservative politicies, growth with take care of debt.
    I have always respected you has a poster but , I must disagree with this plan.

    Although some mess were left by past presidents one can not stay in the past, one must look to the future.

    My question is a reasonable simple one .

    Can America clean up any financial mess left by the past using the same economic system of the past?

    The Economic system introduced by Bush has not changed nor has it been addressed except a bunch of people from different classes and different political parties blaming each other, the economic system of 2000 is the same in 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Noooooooooo.............we would rather pay more for lesser outcomes than do anything like what is working in the rest of the industrialized world!
    That must be why Canadians and Europeans come here for serious surgeries and treatments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Where do you plan on getting this money from.,
    TAXES? MAYBE BUDGET CUTS?,OR MAYBE THE RICH, OR THE POOR OR THE MIDDLE CLASS?
    How about from economic growth, after investing loan interest loans (our debt) in infrastructure (i.e., productivity) rather than Bush's unfunded war.

    It works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    That must be why Canadians and Europeans come here for serious surgeries and treatments.
    Yep, one with lots of money do. See the problem yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yep, one with lots of money do. See the problem yet?
    Bull, it does not take lots of money to be treated here, only a sense of priorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Bull, it does not take lots of money to be treated here, only a sense of priorities.
    Keep dreaming. If that were the case then poor Frenchmen would come here. But in fact only the rich do.

    Stop the steam of consciousness and deal with reality.

    We have a system that rations health care by income. That's why our outcomes are so bad. PUBLIC health isn't the as really good health care for the rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Keep dreaming. If that were the case then poor Frenchmen would come here. But in fact only the rich do.

    Stop the steam of consciousness and deal with reality.

    We have a system that rations health care by income. That's why our outcomes are so bad. PUBLIC health isn't the as really good health care for the rich.
    We have a system that works quite well, in fact 85% of Americans were covered before ACA was ever mentioned. It comes down to priorities nothing more nothing less. The people complaining about lack of insurance are the same ones buying cigarettes, iphones, and alcohol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    That must be why Canadians and Europeans come here for serious surgeries and treatments.
    If that is "evidence", what about all the medical tourist from the US that travel outside the country for affordable medical treatment? Where are all the Canadians and Europeans, or any first world nation, clamoring to switch to our type of health care system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If that is "evidence", what about all the medical tourist from the US that travel outside the country for affordable medical treatment? Where are all the Canadians and Europeans, or any first world nation, clamoring to switch to our type of health care system?
    They are endless, I work for a global company with 9 locations in Canada. A large percentage of the employees there would love to have my insurance instead of paying that high tax rate for pathetic coverage. It is basically Natural Selection that you get taxed for in Canada

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