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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    It may not be "much ado about nothing" now, but what of the next generation and if the debt keeps rising what of the next and the next. Are we to keep passing the buck to the next generation, or are we to start taking responsibility for the debts the generation as accumilated.
    Was Obama or anyone else calling out for TARP or ARRA or any such thing before the Great Bush Recesssion became the global calamity that it did? What if we had kept up the Marshall Plan forever? Then what? What is some Superstorm Sandy struck someplace new every day? How would we deal with that? Face it, the numbers since 2007 are all an aberration brought about by the singular global emergency that Bush's economic malfeasance and incompetence spawned. Like the waters after a tsunami, the effects of that monstrous collapse are slowly receding. The best thing we could do now to protect the future would be to accelerate the recovery, rather than retard it as the Republicans wish to do. One thing is for certain, the clowns who got us into this mess do NOT know the way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Well at any rate they can trim the money going toward defense and put it towards something useful, is the point I was making.
    Yes, they could and already have although it's been a drop in the bucket. And of course, think of all the WMD that Iran might have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Was Obama or anyone else calling out for TARP or ARRA or any such thing before the Great Bush Recesssion became the global calamity that it did? What if we had kept up the Marshall Plan forever? Then what? What is some Superstorm Sandy struck someplace new every day? How would we deal with that? Face it, the numbers since 2007 are all an aberration brought about by the singular global emergency that Bush's economic malfeasance and incompetence spawned. Like the waters after a tsunami, the effects of that monstrous collapse are slowly receding. The best thing we could do now to protect the future would be to accelerate the recovery, rather than retard it as the Republicans wish to do. One thing is for certain, the clowns who got us into this mess do NOT know the way out.
    This is not about politics Right or Left somebody, some person between 2000 and now ****ed up,this is what the current economic system is about.
    It's about passing the buck time after time to the next generation, and the next with higher and higher debt.

    THIS IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY WE WERE TAUGHT, THIS SHOULD NOT BE HOW AMERICA CO0NDUCTS BUSINESS TODAY.

    For of all the slippery slopes to go down this is one America should avoid.

    How can the leaders of American government and American business ask the American people to leave America better for the next generation while they leave America worse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    And many were filing joint returns. Your point? People pay no NET tax because they owe no NET tax. You understand the concept of NET, right? I know a lot of people don't really understand it, including some who host TV shows on FOX News. But consider some working-poor family sort of guy who's getting juiced every day by payroll, excise, and state and local taxes who also owes $300 in federal income tax, but has $2200 coming in EITC and/or ACCC credits as well. He'll receive a net of $1900 out of the deal but will be counted as among those who paid no net tax.


    Why would you mention it then?


    Yes, and all the other successful economies in the world who are carrying public debt -- which is all of them -- will be paying interest forever as well. It's sort of like how everyone not living in a cardboard box under a bridge is paying rent of some sort. Just like all the people in Zimbabwe and the Weimar Republic did.
    If all that growing debt really doesn't matter, why pay taxes at all? Why not just print more money as needed?


    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    OK, so credit cards (and consumer debt in general) are actually a consumer matter in both practice and theory. No public sector implication. That's progress.


    Actually, Obama did away with a lot of that fine-print garbage back in 2009. Still senseless to charge more than you know you can pay off, but when you can get free gas and free cash, NOT charging things can also become a waste of money.
    That's my philosophy: Charge everything, collect the incentives, then pay it off at the end of the month and avoid the interest. Credit card companies call people like me "freeloaders." so be it.

    Now, back to the gloomy economic news vs crowded shopping malls, what is your take on that? Are people spending money that they don't have, or is the economy really better than we've been led to believe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    This is not about politics Right or Left somebody, some person between 2000 and now ****ed up, this is what the current economic system is about. It's about passing the buck time after time to the next generation, and the next with higher and higher debt. THIS IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY WE WERE TAUGHT, THIS SHOULD NOT BE HOW AMERICA CO0NDUCTS BUSINESS TODAY.
    With some fits and starts here and there, we've been running up the public debt since 1836. Really fast during times of national emergency, not usually so fast in other times. Nobody ever paid off our WWII debts. We just keep rolling them over. That very much is the American way. And no one much cared about it until January 20, 2009. Then all of a sudden it was time for outrage over spending and debt. Kind of odd when you stop and think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    For of all the slippery slopes to go down this is one America should avoid. How can the leaders of American government and American business ask the American people to leave America better for the next generation while they leave America worse?
    Yada, yada, yada. The best we can do for posterity is to get this Great Bush Recession mess cleaned up and out of their way. That's going to take some money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If all that growing debt really doesn't matter, why pay taxes at all? Why not just print more money as needed?
    We could certainly do that. We could also eliminate all taxes and borrow all the money we need. After all, taxes and borrowing both take money out of the private sector and then put it right back in again. What's the big deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Now, back to the gloomy economic news vs crowded shopping malls, what is your take on that? Are people spending money that they don't have, or is the economy really better than we've been led to believe?
    Even at 10% unemployment, 90% of the workforce is employed, most at the same jobs they've had for a while. That's the thing about unemployment -- unlike inflation, it's very unevenly distributed and experienced across the economy. Large numbers are barely affected by it at all. And of course, you can't count the numbers of people who are not at the mall. You think it's crowded today without thinking how much more crowded it might have been if the economy were booming.

    The economy meanwhile happens at the margins. People are spending more, but not quite enough more for businesses to go on some hiring binge. Job losses have declined and what's called household deleveraging has advanced, but not quite enough to prompt consumers to go on some spending spree. We're close, but nobody is likely to feel at ease as long as the Republicans insist on promoting one freaking hostage-taking showdown after another. The relative prosperity of the late 1990's resulted in part from Republicans "getting" the message of the 1996 elections and abandoning at least the economic side of their Clinton hatred. That's a lesson that today's haters need to absorb as well. Especially if they intend their party to have an actual future.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    cheeseburga! cheeseburga! cheeseburga!
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    It's just "chee". Not "cheese".

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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    It may not be "much ado about nothing" now, but what of the next generation and if the debt keeps rising what of the next and the next.
    Are we to keep passing the buck to the next generation, or are we to start taking responsibility for the debts the generation as accumilated.
    First we have to clean up the mess left by conservative Bush's misrule, including the financial meltdown, the bailout, and two unfunded wars. Then after we fix up the problems left by failed conservative politicies, growth with take care of debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    That must explain why so many people needing life saving surgery fly to the United States, if they can..............!
    Yes, we ration health care by income and have the best health care system in the world for millionaires.

    Now, back to the topic: PUBLIC health.

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