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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It does seem that the number of people in the "not doing well" category is increasing, and yet, there are those crowded stores and nice cars on the highways.

    Is all that really paid for by credit card? That can't be sustainable. The interest on credit cares approaches usury.
    When America hit it's first Trillion dollar debt, some Americans "including yours truly" said this can not be good , this can not be sustainable, the interest on credit will surely bring a change in the current economic system.
    Alas it did not, and since that first Trillion dollar debt , where is America today?

    I don't mind America or Americans having some credit due, but must living on CREDIT become a way of life in America.

    These crowded stores and nice cars on the highways how many are debt free?
    Perhaps that is too much to ask, how many owe less than 20 thousand, or 10 or 5?
    Keeping in mind "job security" today is at best wishful thinking at worse endangered species
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Yet another example of Fear of Big Numbers. One trillion dollars doesn't mean anything at all except in comparison to something else. The typical something else is GDP, and that comparison shows that while high by normal standards, debt is not out of line with levels reached during other national emergencies. Interest payments on the debt in FY 2012 were meanwhile lower than they were in FY 1998. Much ado about nothing. Or at least, very little.

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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Well, of this report I can only say to transfer 40% of the funds alloted in the non existent budget, under the non existent title DEFENSE and place those funds in the column of the non existent budget heading entitled HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES and let us see if maybe things will get better.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Yet another example of Fear of Big Numbers. One trillion dollars doesn't mean anything at all except in comparison to something else. The typical something else is GDP, and that comparison shows that while high by normal standards, debt is not out of line with levels reached during other national emergencies. Interest payments on the debt in FY 2012 were meanwhile lower than they were in FY 1998. Much ado about nothing. Or at least, very little.
    A trillion dollars of federal government debt works out to ten grand apiece, figuring a hundred million taxpayers.

    That may not be exact, but it is, as they say, close enough for government work.



    So, 16 trillion would be $160,000 per each of us on average.

    A trillion in credit card debt depends on how many credit card users don't pay their cards off at the end of the month. How many that is, I have no idea.

    But, a trillion at 18% works out to $180,000,000,000 per year in interest. Surely, that has to be significant for someone.
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    These reports ranking Health Care are so much rubbish.....

    //townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2007/08/22/why_the_us_ranks_low_on_whos_health-care_study"]http://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2007/08/22/why_the_us_ranks_low_on_whos_health-care_study[/URL]

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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Well, of this report I can only say to transfer 40% of the funds alloted in the non existent budget, under the non existent title DEFENSE and place those funds in the column of the non existent budget heading entitled HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES and let us see if maybe things will get better.
    I suspect that you do not in fact realize that Congress never votes on or passes budgets and that toxic overdoses of right-wing propaganda and disinfomation are responsible for your thinking that they do. The President writes the budget and transmits it to Congress. They then develop non-binding spending guidelines for their respective committees of jusrisidction which proceed to draft and pass a series of a dozen distinct and separate authorization and appropriation bills that are forwarded in their final form back to the President for signature or veto. That process has not occurred in either of the past two years. First, because in response to Republican carping over his FY 2012 budget as submitted, Obama called for abandonment of annual processes in order to work instead on resolving long-term imbalances instead. Republicans of course couldn't deliver the goods on that score. We got an S&P debt downgrade instead. That failure helped trigger the stupid Budget Control Act of 2011, the fiscal-cliff provisions of which made writing FY 2013 legislation totally pointless. People need to face up to the simple fact that having boneheaded Republicans in control of the House has made everything sensible less possible while bringing all sorts of insanity into the range of the entirely probable.

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    Re: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    I suspect that you do not in fact realize that Congress never votes on or passes budgets and that toxic overdoses of right-wing propaganda and disinfomation are responsible for your thinking that they do. The President writes the budget and transmits it to Congress. They then develop non-binding spending guidelines for their respective committees of jusrisidction which proceed to draft and pass a series of a dozen distinct and separate authorization and appropriation bills that are forwarded in their final form back to the President for signature or veto. That process has not occurred in either of the past two years. First, because in response to Republican carping over his FY 2012 budget as submitted, Obama called for abandonment of annual processes in order to work instead on resolving long-term imbalances instead. Republicans of course couldn't deliver the goods on that score. We got an S&P debt downgrade instead. That failure helped trigger the stupid Budget Control Act of 2011, the fiscal-cliff provisions of which made writing FY 2013 legislation totally pointless. People need to face up to the simple fact that having boneheaded Republicans in control of the House has made everything sensible less possible while bringing all sorts of insanity into the range of the entirely probable.
    I suspect you didn't see the humor in my post and latched on to that instead of the point. That being spend less on death and more on life.

    (1997 Slick Willy signed into law a real life, honest to goodness budget. So, never say never.)

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A trillion dollars of federal government debt works out to ten grand apiece, figuring a hundred million taxpayers.
    More than 140 million 1040's are filed and that of course reflects only federal income tax, the source of about one-third of federal revenues and no state or local revenues at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That may not be exact, but it is, as they say, close enough for government work.
    No, it is so far off as to be worthless for any sort of work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, 16 trillion would be $160,000 per each of us on average.
    In the same sense that each of us has an annual income of $160,000. Except of course that we will never repay the debt -- just service it -- so no matter what it is, knowing what one's share of the debt is would be completely pointless, as the number would be absolutely without any sort of implication whatsoever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A trillion in credit card debt depends on how many credit card users don't pay their cards off at the end of the month. How many that is, I have no idea.
    National governments are not households and public debt is not at all analogous to credit card debt. Your education in these areas would appear to be woefully incomplete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    But, a trillion at 18% works out to $180,000,000,000 per year in interest. Surely, that has to be significant for someone.
    The average interest rate on the public debt has been running a little lower than your estimate, checking in at 2.52% per annum as of December 31. Interest payments on the US public debt in FY 2012 were $359 billion. US offsetting receipts of interest on its holdings of the debt of others were $127 billion.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    These reports ranking Health Care are so much rubbish.....
    As if townhall.com were not a 100% predictable source of partisan nonsense. Worse yet, these are reports by the notorious fictionalist-for-hire, John Stossel. Then there's the troubling fact that these reports appear to be from 2007 and aren't any longer to be found at the other end of the links you failed to type properly.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    As if townhall.com were not a 100% predictable source of partisan nonsense. Worse yet, these are reports by the notorious fictionalist-for-hire, John Stossel. Then there's the troubling fact that these reports appear to be from 2007 and aren't any longer to be found at the other end of the links you failed to type properly.
    LOL....

    Anything to put forward your propaganda and deny reality.......

    I believe your source is from a group of notorious liars.

    Try posting this in your browser, if you don't intend to continue thru life in ignorance on the subject.


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