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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucre View Post
    There is a problem there if too many people opt out of the system ... I would agree on the first term but, at least in the USA, see a problem with the second term (in bold).

    In Germany, the "very wealthy" have no obligation to be in the public system - that is not SO wealthy since from a monthly earning of 3.937, - € (5.299 dollars i.e approx. 63.000 dollars/ year) ... Those who decide to stay in the public system pay a maximum fee amounting to approx. 300 €/ month on their salary.


    Are you so sure about this? This is not so much the income the problem but what is left of an income once you paid for food and lodging ..
    I think when it came down to a decision, very few would opt out of the government program. The very wealthy might, but then there aren't so many of them. The ones against any sort of government program would compromise. How many reject Medicare, after all?

    Yes, some people have nothing left after paying the bills, that's so. Some of them are far from poor, however. I suppose there might be a place for private charity for those who can't pay medical bills and still eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    FYI, the US has been "using socialism on a broad scale for an unlimited time" in many forms
    FYI, I am aware of that. Our debt has been growing, our society has been falling apart and our economy has been in decline for a longtime now also. Oh, about the same amount of time as we have been using any "socialist" elements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    FYI, I am aware of that. Our debt has been growing, our society has been falling apart and our economy has been in decline for a longtime now also. Oh, about the same amount of time as we have been using any "socialist" elements.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not sure how you could possibly have gotten all of that from my posts.
    It wasn't hard at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It is well known that people who are obese and/or smokers are more likely to get sick than the average person. They are also more likely to die at an early age. Those are simply facts. Life insurance costs them more. Why shouldn't health insurance cost them more as well? I didn't say anything about tall, short, rich, poor, or any other group of people.
    Why not? All of those groups are as likely to suffer adverse health histories as the groups you have singled out. Why so selective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I have nothing against saving tax dollars. But using socialism on a broad scale for an unlimited time, in any form, is totally unacceptable.
    Welfare TAXPAYER MONEY
    Bailouts to private organizations TAXPAYER MONEY
    Unemployment extensions TAXPAYER MONEY
    Medicare TAXPAYER MONEY
    Medicade TAXPAYER MONEY
    Food banks TAXPAYER MONEY
    ShelterS TAXPAYER MONEY

    The top rich % of the country after paying taxes gets a cut from the working taxpayers who pay taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    It wasn't hard at all.


    Why not? All of those groups are as likely to suffer adverse health histories as the groups you have singled out. Why so selective?
    Being tall is a health risk on the order of smoking?

    C'mon, let's get real. Anyway, there would no point in giving tall people an incentive to be short, even if it were a health risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Strange you would think Americans would want to save tax dollars wouldn't you.
    Yep. Just like they did in Greece, they saved so much tax money that they went broke!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Ok, since I'm still not sure what you're talking about, let's go through the actual numbers real quick. For convenience of comparison, since some of the data-series are not seasonally adjusted, I'll use the not seasonally adjusted numbers throughout which means the UE level and rate will be a little different from the headline numbers reported.
    Adult Civilian Non-Institutional Population (16 years and older not active duty military, in prison or other institution): 244,350,000
    Labor Force (employed + unemployed): 154,904,000
    Employed (includes farm workers, self-employed, unpaid family workers): 143,060,000
    Unemployed (did not work, but was available for work and actively looked for work in the previous 4 weeks): 11,844,000
    Not in the Labor Force (did not work and did not look for work or was not available for work): 89,445,000

    Let's break down the Not in the Labor Force category in Table A-38:
    Do Not Want a Job Now: 82,914,000
    Want a Job: 6,532,000
    Of those Not in the Labor Force who say they want a job (and aren't classified unemployed because they're not available or haven't looked for work)
    Did Not Look for Work in Previous Year: 3,252,000
    Looked in Last Year but not last 4 weeks: 3,280,000
    Of those...
    Not available now: 667,000
    Marginally Attached (available now): 2,614,000
    Discouraged (stop looking because believed would be unsuccessful): 1,068,000
    Other Marginally Attached (stopped looking for personal reasons): 1,545,000

    So, besides the fact that your guess of "12 million not looking for jobs or not trying" (which is either 89 million or 6.5 million or lower) by what standard would you call people not attempting to work "unemployed?"

    Now for "jobs," I'm not sure if you mean jobs held or job openings. We have to switch definitions a little and exclude agriculture, self employed and unpaid family members (and go back a little further for available data). Table B-1 Not Seasonally adjusted, there were 134,822,000 non-farm payroll jobs (that's jobs actually held) and on the last day of November 2012 there were 3,248,000 job openings (non-farm payroll jobs) according to the Job Openings Labor Turnover Survey.
    In response to your rather lengthy post I need only use one sentence
    JOB OPPORTUNITIES for American labor force and College graduates and young and elderly are there enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. Just like they did in Greece, they saved so much tax money that they went broke!
    Excuse me but was that before or after the rise in unemployment?
    Were the protestors protesting because the government had no money or was it because the people had no jobs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    In response to your rather lengthy post I need only use one sentence
    JOB OPPORTUNITIES for American labor force and College graduates and young and elderly are there enough?
    as long as you're willing to work part time for ten bucks an hour, sure.
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