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    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Why do you think that? there are 12 million people trying and failing to get jobs, so why would people who don't want to work make an abundance of jobs?
    That wasn't my question.

    So you got 12 million people trying and failing to get jobs with the job opportunity where it is, my question remains.
    THERE ARE LESS JOBS WHY?
    Because according to some but many a huge majority of unemployed are not even trying to find a job.
    Now I can not quote the exact number but since you have 12 million people trying and failing to find jobs ,lets say 12 million not looking for jobs or not trying.

    If my math is correct if the ones that are not looking all started to look at the same time., that's 24 million people looking for work when 12 million can't find work.

    Question does America want everybody out of work to start looking at the same time from ages 18 to 63 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucre View Post
    Yes, Germany takes everybody in ... In fact, since there are different "Kassen", it has created financial problems to one of them, the AOK which was, so to say, the one for the "left-overs" or the "uniformed". The people insured there were also paying the highest fee (since their risk was higher). They harmonized all fees a couple of years ago and this solved the problem.

    I actually agree that a sound system should encourage the patient and the fee should be lower if a number of criteria are met. (But await resistance from the fats and the smokers who will cry against discrimination!). Regarding income, what do you do with those with 1) no income 2) those with very high income

    In Germany, for example 1) is being handled by the university or the job center or the corresponding social institution 2) is being met by allowing people from a certain yearly income to opt out of the general system and buy a private insurance.

    My last question is: how does Obamacare fits into this?
    No doubt there would be resistance from people whose lifestyles cost the medical care system more money, but why should I pay for someone who smokes and never exercises? Let them change their lifestyle, or pay extra.

    How does Obamacare fit in? Now, that's a good question. The mandate that everyone have insurance would still have to be there. The very wealthy, or just those who object to any sort of government funded program would have the option of private insurance.

    Everyone has some income. Even the very poor should have to pay at least a token, as that which is free is seen as having no value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Here's what we need:
    A universal health insurance package that is really insurance, and not a pre paid health care plan.
    One that is paid for by taxes, run by a private company, and regulated by the government, a public/private hybrid, sort of like the power companies we have in California.
    One that requires the patient to pay based on a formula that includes income...
    Pretty much Obamacare in a nutshell. But it is a transition stage on the way to something better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    ...and health conditions that are the result of individual decisions.
    You don't have a means for making the connections you need as you would if you were concerned with imposing premiums on sky-divers and coal miners. Insurance is about risk-sharing. Cut that element out and you just move further and further toward every man for himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No doubt there would be resistance from people whose lifestyles cost the medical care system more money, but why should I pay for someone who smokes and never exercises? Let them change their lifestyle, or pay extra.

    How does Obamacare fit in? Now, that's a good question. The mandate that everyone have insurance would still have to be there. The very wealthy, or just those who object to any sort of government funded program would have the option of private insurance.

    Everyone has some income. Even the very poor should have to pay at least a token, as that which is free is seen as having no value.
    I have a question.

    Which would be more expensive to the American people universal health care or what we have now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    So you got 12 million people trying and failing to get jobs with the job opportunity where it is, my question remains. THERE ARE LESS JOBS WHY?
    That isn't even a question. There are fewer jobs because of the damage done by the Great Bush Recession. Employment was at 146.6 million and then it fell to 138.0 million. We have so far made it back to 143.3 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I have a question. Which would be more expensive to the American people universal health care or what we have now?
    Let me ask first whether you think a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage is cheaper, or whether you'd rather have a nice reverse-amortization, giant-balloon-payment instrument that you can never refinance instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    That isn't even a question. There are fewer jobs because of the damage done by the Great Bush Recession. Employment was at 146.6 million and then it fell to 138.0 million. We have so far made it back to 143.3 million.
    Well I better check with my English teacher, I could have sworn that sentence was a question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Let me ask first whether you think a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage is cheaper, or whether you'd rather have a nice reverse-amortization, giant-balloon-payment instrument that you can never refinance instead?
    Well in answer to your question we already have a giant balloon payment the more people that are unemployed the more people turn to Medicare and medicade.

    Now since I've answered your question perhaps you can answer mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I have a question.

    Which would be more expensive to the American people universal health care or what we have now?
    What we have now, no question about it. Every other modern nation on Earth has universal health care, and we pay more than any of them by far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Pretty much Obamacare in a nutshell. But it is a transition stage on the way to something better.


    You don't have a means for making the connections you need as you would if you were concerned with imposing premiums on sky-divers and coal miners. Insurance is about risk-sharing. Cut that element out and you just move further and further toward every man for himself.
    People who live unhealthy lifestyles and/or who engage in risky pursuits pay more for life insurance than the rest of us do. Why couldn't the same apply to health insurance?
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