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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It was my point, so I know what context it was made in and to whom and what I was replying. Look again, you got it wrong.
    I've got mine, you get yours, is the point that came across.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Just off the top of my head and going from numbers I heard the Obama set echo during the debate for Obamacare - 40 million were uninsured. Our population is over 300 million. Sounds to me like the vast majority were insured already.

    Edit: I see from the census that in 2009 50 million were uninsured and that 37 million of those were employment age.
    It is my opinion {though it may be wrong} that the census taken is incorrect.
    Time after time we as a society are told the unemployment rate is based on those seeking employment.
    Yet what of those that shall we say fell through the cracks.
    Of America's population of over 300 million are they all accounted for?
    What of people living on the streets?
    What of the illegal immigrants with amnesty?
    What of the Americans that are off the grid?

    These questions may be right or wrong, may be good or bad.
    However to have the correct majority or minority, one must first have the correct number to go by.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Who is counted as employed?

    Not all of the wide range of job situations in the American economy fit neatly into a given category. For example, people are considered employed if they did any work at all for pay or profit during the survey week. This includes all part-time and temporary work, as well as regular full-time, year-round employment. Persons also are counted as employed if they have a job at which they did not work during the survey week, whether they were paid or not, because they were:

    On vacation
    Ill
    Experiencing child-care problems
    Taking care of some other family or personal obligation
    On maternity or paternity leave
    Involved in an industrial dispute
    Prevented from working by bad weather

    These persons are counted among the employed and tabulated separately as "with a job but not at work," because they have a specific job to which they will return.

    But what about the two following cases?

    George Lewis is 16 years old, and he has no job from which he receives any pay or profit. However, George does help with the regular chores around his father's farm and spends about 20 hours each week doing so.


    Lisa Fox spends most of her time taking care of her home and children, but she helps in her husband's computer software store all day Friday and Saturday.

    Under the Government's definition of employment, both George and Lisa are considered employed. They fall into a group called "unpaid family workers," which includes any person who worked without pay for 15 hours or more per week in a family-owned enterprise operated by someone in their household.
    So, "employed" does not necessarily mean working full time for wages.

    If all of the people who have given up and taken part time work were to be counted, then the unemployment rate would be a lot higher than it is.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Who is counted as employed?



    So, "employed" does not necessarily mean working full time for wages.

    If all of the people who have given up and taken part time work were to be counted, then the unemployment rate would be a lot higher than it is.
    I think it would , of course talking about working people paying income tax would be lower.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    BTW. What does the price of gas have to do with medical care?
    It was one of those analogy things...where yiou create similar conditions under perhaps more familar circumstances. The fact remains that we in the US are paying top dollar for near bottom of the barrel health care. That needs to stop.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Who is counted as employed?



    So, "employed" does not necessarily mean working full time for wages.

    If all of the people who have given up and taken part time work were to be counted, then the unemployment rate would be a lot higher than it is.
    Using that metric Bush would have had about 6% unemployment. So what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, "employed" does not necessarily mean working full time for wages.
    It never has.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If all of the people who have given up and taken part time work were to be counted, then the unemployment rate would be a lot higher than it is.
    If we moved the age cutoff from 16 to 4, the rate would be a lot higher than it is also. The reason that there are standardized definitions that have been applied over long periods of time is so that data from one period will be comparable to data from another period. Changing the numbers to suit every new political wind that blows along would simply be foolish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    It never has.


    If we moved the age cutoff from 16 to 4, the rate would be a lot higher than it is also. The reason that there are standardized definitions that have been applied over long periods of time is so that data from one period will be comparable to data from another period. Changing the numbers to suit every new political wind that blows along would simply be foolish.
    Yes, it would.
    As would pretending that 8% unemployment means that 92% of the people who want to work full time are doing so.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    It was one of those analogy things...where yiou create similar conditions under perhaps more familar circumstances. The fact remains that we in the US are paying top dollar for near bottom of the barrel health care. That needs to stop.
    I don't see us paying top dollar for near bottom of the barrel health care. Our health care is great. The costs are high, sure, but that is as much because we waste money on those who have not earned it as on anything else. You are making a judgment based upon statistics that do not present the full picture but are targeted to present a certain point of view. To get the whole picture, you have to take in the vast number of other factors that affect those figures, not just health care.

    Mr. Dittohead has expressed that he doesn't believe it would be affordable even if we removed the leeches. I however believe it would be. It was before we changed the laws allowing leeching. Would it be affordable to minimum wage earners, probably not, but then, have they actually earned it since they choose to stay at the bottom tier of employment? I don't thinks so.

    We also cannot make reasonable and affordable changes to healthcare without address many other factors in our society. We need to fix our approach to the economy and many other things, as well as our approach to healthcare.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, it would. As would pretending that 8% unemployment means that 92% of the people who want to work full time are doing so.
    Why would anyone make such a foolish assumption? The only possibility I can think of quickly would be total unfamiliarity with the data and any of the concepts underlying them. Children should not play with matches.

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