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Thread: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyteRash View Post
    funny.. thats what i was thinking.. but i decided to not be an ass about it.
    I see you changed your mind since. What evidence do you offer for the deliberate masquerade of health care data in every other developed nation in the world? Alternatively, what evidence do you offer for these primitives being unable to compile such statistics properly in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Why not, the only thing you have to give up is your freedom, and Canadians are used to that, right?

    The point is, there are more costs than the economic. Some folks are willing to pay them, some aren't. A lot of people here in the US aren't. That's why UHC will be a long time coming here.
    UHC has already been a long time coming here.
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    Re: We're Number......LAST

    Not as long as it has been needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Not as long as it has been needed.
    UHC is not needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    UHC is not needed.
    As long as you think it's cool to be paying $7 a gallon for plain-vanilla off-brand regular while the rest of the world pays $4 a gallon for premium with all the additives. How many times are right-wingres willing to shoot themselves in the foot anyway? Is there a limit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    As long as you think it's cool to be paying $7 a gallon for plain-vanilla off-brand regular while the rest of the world pays $4 a gallon for premium with all the additives. How many times are right-wingres willing to shoot themselves in the foot anyway? Is there a limit?
    Don't know, I'm not a right winger.

    BTW. What does the price of gas have to do with medical care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The point is, there are more costs than the economic. Some folks are willing to pay them, some aren't. A lot of people here in the US aren't. That's why UHC will be a long time coming here.
    It's been already voted, right?
    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    When it comes to health, I just wonder which other costs there are other than the "economic"?
    A cancer is a cancer. An efficient health care system is efficient when it provides:
    - the best possible care allowed by the advance of medical knowledge
    - at the most affordable cost
    - for the most possible people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucre View Post
    It's been already voted, right?
    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    When it comes to health, I just wonder which other costs there are other than the "economic"?
    A cancer is a cancer. An efficient health care system is efficient when it provides:
    - the best possible care allowed by the advance of medical knowledge
    - at the most affordable cost
    - for the most possible people
    Go back and read your posts in this thread and my responses, that will answer your questions. Asked and answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucre View Post
    It's been already voted, right?
    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    When it comes to health, I just wonder which other costs there are other than the "economic"?
    A cancer is a cancer. An efficient health care system is efficient when it provides:
    - the best possible care allowed by the advance of medical knowledge
    - at the most affordable cost
    - for the most possible people
    Ok, you previously denied knowing about some new technologies that are fairly common in the US but then claim that Germany has an efficient system of "best possible care allowed by the advance of medical knowledge". So which is it?

    Cheapest is not always best. A German should know that, as in the auto industry they only survive by being better even though the costs are high.

    For the most people that earn it. Wasting valuable resources on the indigent and those that won't earn it is just that, wasting valuable limited resources. Further, it weakens humanity as a whole when you pander to the lazy and weak instead of setting up a system to strengthen them and makes them not lazy.

    US care is usually pretty darn good. Maybe a few hospitals in low income areas are not as good as middle class and high income areas, but over all, very good. Considering the differences in the two societies, the very fact that we have the statistics we have while being so self-destructive is a good indicator of just how good our system is. How would your system hold up with a peoples who are as self-destructive as Americans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Ok, you previously denied knowing about some new technologies that are fairly common in the US but then claim that Germany has an efficient system of "best possible care allowed by the advance of medical knowledge". So which is it?

    Cheapest is not always best. A German should know that, as in the auto industry they only survive by being better even though the costs are high.

    For the most people that earn it. Wasting valuable resources on the indigent and those that won't earn it is just that, wasting valuable limited resources. Further, it weakens humanity as a whole when you pander to the lazy and weak instead of setting up a system to strengthen them and makes them not lazy.

    US care is usually pretty darn good. Maybe a few hospitals in low income areas are not as good as middle class and high income areas, but over all, very good. Considering the differences in the two societies, the very fact that we have the statistics we have while being so self-destructive is a good indicator of just how good our system is. How would your system hold up with a peoples who are as self-destructive as Americans?
    It's not because I do not know robot x, y or z, that Germany has no good health care system. I am not so much into technology, you know, but this does not mean other people than me don't use them

    German health care is pretty damm good you know and all across the board.

    Cheapest is not always best except when it offers you premium service.

    I think that Germany fullfills my three conditions:
    best technology and medecine available,
    affordable costs for the entire population,
    regardless of their income, gender or race
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