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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucre View Post
    I don't think going to prison just to get health care is getting a good deal
    Why not, the only thing you have to give up is your freedom, and Canadians are used to that, right?

    The point is, there are more costs than the economic. Some folks are willing to pay them, some aren't. A lot of people here in the US aren't. That's why UHC will be a long time coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm not sure I understand your meaning clearly my friend, would you mind rephrasing it for me?
    Tax revenue pays for bailouts, research money, tax cuts and tax rebates.

    Lower tax revenue means corporations will have to pay their own way , maybe not now but if the economic system remains the same they will and that will cut into profits.

    Tax Revenue is made by working people with a with High enough wage to fit IRS. standards of paying income tax which is TAX REVENUE
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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Tax revenue pays for bailouts, research money, tax cuts and tax rebates.

    Lower tax revenue means corporations will have to pay their own way , maybe not now but if the economic system remains the same they will and that will cut into profits.

    Tax Revenue is made by working people with a with High enough wage to fit IRS. standards of paying income tax which is TAX REVENUE

    If I am reading you correctly, you are saying that more jobs that pay a living wage will help? Did I get that right?

    I agree, but I think we need to go further to address health care costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If I am reading you correctly, you are saying that more jobs that pay a living wage will help? Did I get that right?

    I agree, but I think we need to go further to address health care costs.
    Health care "cost" can not be addressed with America dealing with a financial burden from healthy people wanting to work.
    What is America to do print more money, maybe borrow more money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Health care "cost" can not be addressed with America dealing with a financial burden from healthy people wanting to work.
    What is America to do print more money, maybe borrow more money?
    I agree my friend that jobs are the most important issue. However even at full employment, health care cost have become too unaffordable in the US. The only viable proposal I have seen that doesn't just pass the cost on to those least able to afford it, is to upgrade to UHC as every other industrialized country in the world has had to do to lower costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I agree my friend that jobs are the most important issue. However even at full employment, health care cost have become too unaffordable in the US. The only viable proposal I have seen that doesn't just pass the cost on to those least able to afford it, is to upgrade to UHC as every other industrialized country in the world has had to do to lower costs.
    I agree that health care should be upgraded as every other industrialized country in the world.

    However the way D.C. is today even to purpose such an upgrade , you would run into a mountain of red tape and after that a brick wall to break though.

    Then it might if you're lucky hit the floor of the Senate for discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Health care "cost" can not be addressed with America dealing with a financial burden from healthy people wanting to work.
    What is America to do print more money, maybe borrow more money?
    I agree jobs are the first priority! At some point though we will have to address unaffordable health care costs though that are driving people with jobs into bankruptcy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I agree that health care should be upgraded as every other industrialized country in the world.

    However the way D.C. is today even to purpose such an upgrade , you would run into a mountain of red tape and after that a brick wall to break though.

    Then it might if you're lucky hit the floor of the Senate for discussion.


    At some point people will no longer be able to bear the costs and we will have upgrade as the rest of the industrialized world has done.
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    funny.. thats what i was thinking.. but i decided to not be an ass about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    At some point people will no longer be able to bear the costs and we will have upgrade as the rest of the industrialized world has done.
    Exactly. The pay for service model simply can't survive in a modern economy driven by technological innovation. We know why -- there is no price elasticity in health care, and there are huge information imbalances between consumers and suppliers. It's the wrong model. It's failing and will fail. It's sad how conservatives are so completely ideologically rabid that they refuse to accept economic reality.
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