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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    The weird part is, everyone claims that people just die over here and are so poor because they don't have healthcare. Bogus. Heck, you can be an illegal immigrant and walk into a hospital and receive care.
    That's not true.

    If you have cancer, you can walk into a hospital, but unless you're on the verge of death, you probably won't get any care
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    None of those links indicate that socialized medicine has "failed" in any nation
    So the UK and Canada moving away from it for financial and quality of care reasons and the same problems being found in the other countries programs isn't failing? Okay......
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    That's not true.

    If you have cancer, you can walk into a hospital, but unless you're on the verge of death, you probably won't get any care
    I tell you right now bro. If a family walks into the ER and says their kid is sick with a stomach ache and they have no insurance, they're receiving care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So the UK and Canada moving away from it for financial and quality of care reasons and the same problems being found in the other countries programs isn't failing? Okay......

    I tell you right now bro. If a family walks into the ER and says their kid is sick with a stomach ache and they have no insurance, they're receiving care.
    If by care, you mean "examined", you are right. But if by care, you mean "treated", then the only way the kid will receive treatment is if his condition is considered life-threatening.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/ny...pagewanted=all

    And neither Canada nor the UK are moving away from socialized medicine, and they're not moving one inch towards pay for service
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If by care, you mean "examined", you are right. But if by care, you mean "treated", then the only way the kid will receive treatment is if his condition is life-threatening.
    Doctors are a lot more charitable than you give them credit for bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Doctors are a lot more charitable than you give them credit for bro.
    IOW, you can't back up your claim that every child who goes to an ER is treated.

    You got PWNED
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    My primary reason to oppose universal health care or single payer is it is in MY interest to do so. My rates are as low as you can get and the way I am set my families health care up, is essintially free, and on track to actually pay me. Change is NOT something I want.
    I did understand you very well. It might be YOUR individual interest to do so. But compared to the addition of million of other individual interests, it doesn't weight very much, that's what I am saying. And that is why Obama care was voted at the end: it will hopefully benefit lots of million of people even if it does not benefit YOU personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucre View Post
    I did understand you very well. It might be YOUR individual interest to do so. But compared to the addition of million of other individual interests, it doesn't weight very much, that's what I am saying. And that is why Obama care was voted at the end: it will hopefully benefit lots of million of people even if it does not benefit YOU personally.
    My interests to me outweigh the millions. Sorry but I am gona fight getting screwed out of my good deal. Dont particularly care about the millions since they seem intent on NOT leaving me and mine alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    1) Didn't ask you too
    2) Yep, you guys can count. You do a great job. How's the Euro doing btw?
    3) When you have a larger sample size, it effects the ratio. The margin or error is larger with a smaller sample size. I figured an all knowing European would know that Also, when the methods of gathering statistics are different, there is potential for collusion. I see that the World Health Organization took these stats. I doubt they surveyed people directly. They most likely gathered the stats from each country's gov't.
    4) Having no health coverage has nothing to do with it. Any person can walk into a hospital here and received care. No one is turned away. That's common sense over here.
    5) Numerous times. It sucks. I see why our ancestors wanted out so bad.
    1) So you agree your opinion has no value compared to international statistics. Good.

    2) At the moment, you'll get 1,331 dollar for 1 Euro - A 30% difference to the advantage of the Euro. Makes travelling in the US for us Europeans quite affordable.

    3) Except that, of course, the stats formulas make up for this margin of error - in different ways, so that the results will be slightly different ... I thought such an enlightened guy as you would have known that In any case, the high difference in ranking the USA have to make up for cannot be explained by difference of sample size. Nor by some alleged inferior methods of recording of industralized countries with similar standards of living ... This is a very very very poor argument, especially by a poster who recognises that his opinion has no value compared to international statistics i.e that he does not know what he is talking about

    4) Ah, ah ... Because people with no health coverage get access to all the services when they, let say, have been diagnotized with lung cancer? Interresting. I wonder why anybody is paying health insurance then.

    5) I feel sorry for you. You should stay at home and not travel, this is obviously a waste of your money: it does not look like travelling has opened your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Here are some interesting stats. Apologies, as they are four years old now. I'm sure that $7,960 figure is well over eight grand now, and growing.
    Considering the difference in availability of technology, a 5% of GDP higher cost really doesn't sound that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    IOW, you can't back up your claim that every child who goes to an ER is treated.

    You got PWNED
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    Sure, I got PWNED by a guy who has still failed to provide any proof of any claim he's made. You are the exact kind of person no one cares to debate with. Your entire purpose is to "pwn" people, not prove any sort of point. You don't even know why you believe what you believe. You're just another automaton who regurgitates the thoughts of others and claims them as his own. We're done here. Have a good one.
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