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    "bi-national opinion poll done by Canada’s CTV television network and the national newspaper Globe & Mail, 91 percent of Canadians said they prefered their national health care system over America’s pseudo-private system.


    Ninety-One percent. In the world of scientific opinion polling, that’s about as unanimous as you ever get.


    Also, 45 percent of Americans surveyed preferred Canada’s system, and 42 percent preferred to stick with what we’ve got."

    91 percent of Canadians like their health care system – Chuck Sweeny | Politics and government - Rockford, IL - Rockford Register Star
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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How many of these things are flaws of people taking poor care of themselves and how many of them are due to a bad healthcare system? My bet is that it's due to the lifestyle choices of others, not that our medical system or care is inferior to other nations.
    I agree. This is a ranking of health, not of the health care system. Our health is bad due to decisions we make - we eat a lot of processed foods, we smoke, we eat less fish, we drive a lot and walk less, we have more guns. It does not seem to be an indictment on the health care system. In fact, the only items that I see that could be health care related was that we are more likely to survive cancer and strokes, which would imply that we have better treatments. The authors even noted it is possible that other coutnries will catch up to us, as their obesity rates catch up to us and their younger smokes start to die off.

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    Anybody who thinks the health care system in the USofA (over the last decade or more) hasn't really been too bad, has truly been lucky enough to be pretty stinking healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How many of these things are flaws of people taking poor care of themselves and how many of them are due to a bad healthcare system? My bet is that it's due to the lifestyle choices of others, not that our medical system or care is inferior to other nations.

    I think that is a partially correct answer. Very astute. I think overall our Country does many things well, although seldom perfect. Many people want to be on healthcare to keep their SSD and SSI checks flowing. Comp is another story, same players. Still, the items listed like longevity, baby deaths, etc. are hard to fudge. Real numbers. With 60-70% of the Federal budget going to Military Offense, it is obvious why Healthcare is shorted. Lifestyle choices; look around you; do you see much fat? You know obesity to the level of bad health. Looks common as horse turds to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    we had german medics at our german hospital in afghanistan.


    truthfully, we had to tell them how to perform surgery,they were less equiped than american surgeons at a discount clinic who got their degree for 15 bucks online.we ended up using american medicvs who were emergency medics not doctors as doctors or we went to the swedish and norwegians to avoid german doctors.
    Thiis is a bit of an over exageration. German Doctors are some of the best in Europe. Like most countries those that can't hake it go into the military. I worked at Ft Riley Ks for 2 years and I could tell you horror stories aabout the **** thatt went on there. Also military Drs. do not need to be board certified to practice. How safe does that make you feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think that is a partially correct answer. Very astute. I think overall our Country does many things well, although seldom perfect. Many people want to be on healthcare to keep their SSD and SSI checks flowing. Comp is another story, same players. Still, the items listed like longevity, baby deaths, etc. are hard to fudge. Real numbers. With 60-70% of the Federal budget going to Military Offense, it is obvious why Healthcare is shorted. Lifestyle choices; look around you; do you see much fat? You know obesity to the level of bad health. Looks common as horse turds to me.
    Life expectancy is adversly affected by violent deaths and car accidents, two items that are more prevalent to younger individuals and would have a greater impact on longevity. I seem to recall seeing a study where they took out violent deaths and car accidents from the life expectancy stats, and found Americans were near the top - I can't recall the exact number, though. This would seem to be partially supported by the OP in the following quote:

    and if we live to age 75 we're likely to keep on living longer than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkySalsa View Post
    Slow and crappy care is still better than nothing. Too bad the people who'd benefit the most from moving, the working poor, can't afford it.
    I lived in Europe. Slow and crappy is right. In Sweden, the geriatric hospitals/residences were on a rotating national strike for years. I dunno if I've ever been in Europe when a health service was not on strike. Talk about no service!

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    One thing we all (or at least most) can agree on: The United States has some severe problems to solve. We have the most expensive health care in the world, yet no better outcomes than anyone else. We have more drug abuse than anyone. We have a higher infant mortality that other industrialized nations. We have more teen pregnancy than anyone. We have more prisoners than anyone else. We have a huge and growing debt. We have more obese people than anyone.

    So, instead of leaping and hooting about being the greatest nation on Earth, instead of trying to solve everyone else's problems, instead of protecting the rest of the world with our military, why don't we try to solve some of the problems here at home? Let's quit making excuses and inventing bumper stickers, and start finding solutions, practical solutions that work in the real world.

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