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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Germany is a multipayer system, so even more things that set it apart.

    Obamacare didn't actually do anything to lower the costs of healthcare for the average citizen.

    In fact, most people's health care costs have risen. There's good reason why not too many big pharma and medical lobbies fought it, it's absolutely great for their business to take massive taxpayer funding.
    Exactly, all it did was to ensure that every American had health insurance, which was an improvement over the old system. Health care costs continue to rise as they were before. And that will continue until we go to some type of universal health care. And I'm not opposed to the multi-payer system that Germany has. Or the system in Australia where everyone gets basic medical care, and then if you want extra, you pay for extra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    We have the most expensive system in the advanced world, with some of the worst health outcomes. That's because our for profit pay for service model is totally and completely maladapted for health care -- for well known reasons, the most obvious being lack of price elasticity.

    It's time for single payer. End of story. Our rationing of health care by income has failed.
    Yeah, single payer so guys like you can get healthcare for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, single payer so guys like you can get healthcare for free.
    Yep. Not to mention that when it comes to availability of technology, new procedures, overall availability to procedures beyond basic care, etc. We are the only country that actually qualifies as "advanced world" in the field of healthcare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, single payer so guys like you can get healthcare for free.
    If you would take the time to learn about single payer plans you would know they are not free, but they do reduce the costs of health care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The road to hell is paved with the victoms of those with good intentions.
    Don't you have any more substabcial response to my post which was about the principles underlying many ventures in this world, including charities to fight heart decreases and insurance policies ... If you think these ventures are only "good intentions", I bet you already live in hell ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Maybe the United States is a special when it comes to health care? Maybe we can't be compared to Germany because Germany has far fewer people, and is much smaller geographically, and even less diverse than we are? I think that is my primary bug with health care. I see a lot of talk about how we should be like Europe, and yet no consideration for the fact that we are nowhere near comparable to European nations in terms of complexity. I am sure that that each of their own nations have their own individual health care problems, but they are smaller in scale and easier to handle (well "easier"...but still complex and beyond my mind in terms of handling).
    Because German people are differently sick than Americans? Is it because they speak German or what? So a German cancer is different than an American cancer? Or are you saying that a smaller population means automatically more doctors, shorter wating times etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucre View Post
    Because German people are differently sick than Americans? Is it because they speak German or what? So a German cancer is different than an American cancer? Or are you saying that a smaller population means automatically more doctors, shorter wating times etc.
    Actually, read some of the CDC pages. There is a fairly large difference between medical problems with different races/ethnicities. Cancer rates, heart disease rates, etc. Only people with African heritage get sickle cell, only people with European noble heritage get Hemophilia. America is multi-heritage/genetic, Germany is mostly mono-heritage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you would take the time to learn about single payer plans you would know they are not free, but they do reduce the costs of health care.
    And if you learned more about them, you would learn that compared to what is available here in America, they aren't worth crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    We have the highest health care costs in the world because we have a wasteful profit-driven, fee-for-service health care system. The factors you try to hide behind actually exist everywhere. Differences are at the margin. The US is 34th in per capita tobacco consumption by the way. The task of every health care system is to care for the health of the population. If a population is overweight, smokes too much, or consumes a lot of sugar, the health care system needs to deal with those issues. It is no different from a population that drinks beer or wine by the liter, makes everything out of potatoes, or lives in a frigid climate.
    You make the presumtion that we have a system like Germany Briton or France or Canada have a health care system. We dont at least not in the way a system is typically thought. Its more of a ad hoch collection of independent operations and business collectives. I would have thought as an economics guru you would have picked up on that quicker.
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