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Thread: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

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    I like how it only lists seventeen countries.

    Btw, this was already known. Great news break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    We have the highest health care costs in the world because we have a wasteful profit-driven, fee-for-service health care system. The factors you try to hide behind actually exist everywhere. Differences are at the margin. The US is 34th in per capita tobacco consumption by the way. The task of every health care system is to care for the health of the population. If a population is overweight, smokes too much, or consumes a lot of sugar, the health care system needs to deal with those issues. It is no different from a population that drinks beer or wine by the liter, makes everything out of potatoes, or lives in a frigid climate.
    Are you going to expand on this, or am I to fill in the gaps on my own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Personally, I prefer the 21st. century, but that's just me.
    I prefer the 11th-13th but that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I prefer the 11th-13th but that's just me.
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    I don't believe you. You like posting on the internetz to much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I don't believe you. You like posting on the internetz to much!
    What? You mean there was no internet back then? How did people communicate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Wow. Really? Funny. Private health care here and I got my MRI for my knee in the same day I went to the doctor. I actually was in with the sports medicine surgeon the same day I saw my GP. It was a torn minuscus and I was able to get arthroscopic surgery the next week (decided to wait because I had final exams and could walk with crutches).

    I know a ton of horror stories from the VA. Had a friend when I was in school who could barely get in for his PTSD stuff, let alone for the reoccurring medical problems from an IED he took in Iraq.
    Congratulations, you are the exception more than the rule. The US is a big place, and quality of medical care varies drastically not only by location but also by doctor. However, you'll generally find that people in Germany wait much, much less long than the people in the US.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What? You mean there was no internet back then? How did people communicate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    1) all it takes is a simple statistics course to understand that when comparing data...you must take into account if reporting methods are different.
    Thanks. I took those courses in high school. Kind of intrigued me, so I made a career out of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    That doesn't take data analysis expertise.
    How convenient for you. You get to make claims, and when questioned about their basis, you can just say I don't need no stinkin' basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Since you wish to use U.N. numbers...
    Haven't cited a single UN number.

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    ...I feel you need to be made aware that such numbers are acquired from respective national reporting centers. So where standards of reporting are different (and United States is amongst the highest in standards) then how can you compare them as equals?
    What basis do you have for making THAT claim? It would seem to require the same sorts of insight that you have just admitted to not having with regard to other questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Let me guess. You won't accept that common knowledge fact right? Don't worry. Once I get home I will provide you with some websites (cell phone is hard to do that with).
    Common knowledge? No, I most emphatically DO NOT accept such things.

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    2) and yet there are far more people to use up resources, and where there is more inner city there is more poverty. Poverty certainly doesn't help ones health care chances does it? Rural health care sucks. No doubt. But don't you think that poverty is a factor?
    Public hospitals and free clinics are found in inner cities far more often than in the middle of nowhere. You do not need much in the way of resources to access those.

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    How much poverty and budget sucking inner city problems do they have in Europe?
    Their poverty rates equal or exceed ours. Their population density is greater than ours.

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    3) yes. They do as a group. Now break it down into nations. Unless the EU finally merged into one nation...I'm not concerned about them as a group. My point remains valid.
    Why would 27 nations have any more bearing than 50 states? They have more than 500 million people to deal with. We have more than 300 million. They provide better overall health care at lower per capita costs. End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I don't believe you. You like posting on the internetz to much!
    Trust me, given the option I'd go back there in an instant. Even without the internet and indoor plumbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Trust me, given the option I'd go back there in an instant. Even without the internet and indoor plumbing.
    Do you yodel, then?
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