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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    When I became concerned that my mom had Alzheimers, I had to wait 8 weeks just to get an appt.
    Took my grandmother less than a month to get Alzheimer's. Did your mom not have a lot of data or evidence? A lot of medicine is about having enough information to establish a course of action. My understanding is that in the early stages other disorders can present like Alzheimer's (senility maybe? Idk now).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    USPS is bleeding money. Our health care system is a mess. Both are semi-run by the government. Coincidence? Or is that the government is totally unable to ever run anything efficiently or for that matter, rarely effectively. I find it funny, so many want to turn over something as important to them as Healthcare to the government with the governments track record on management.
    Except in cases such as military and VA hospitals, the government actually provides health care financing, not health care. It is also health care financing that PPACA focuses on. Such problems as USPS has are not management problems. They are financial issues brought on by the Great Bush Recession and a bunch of idiots in Congress who demand that they put an unnecessary $5.5 billion in a shoebox every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I think "you guys" would turn out to be Tigger, all alone.
    I think he's a perfect spokesman for conservatism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    There aren't any statistics for "without medical care".
    Maybe I'll be the first case study.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Ever the optimist. As a cancer survivor, I'm actually pretty happy with what good medical coverage made available to me.
    Yep. I think 36 months IS pretty optimistic. It could be as little as 12-15 months without any medical care.

    Congratulations on surviving your cancer. I don't plan to ever do that. My cancer plan is one dose of 230 grain copper to the head. I saw what my dad went through with that and I don't even want to consider it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    I haven't found fear of death to be so common among liberals and certainly not among atheists. It seems to me that such folks would pragmatically prefer to avoid death whenever possible, but fully recognize and rather matter-of-factly accept its ultimate inevitability.
    I think we all accept that death is inevitable, Fang. The question is whether or not we go so far out of our way to avoid it that we begin to allow it to rule our lives. It's kind of the extreme end of the same line of thinking that keeps many Liberal parents from allowing their children to play sports or do anything else which might possibly cause them injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I think he's a perfect spokesman for conservatism.
    One could only hope that the rest of Conservatives were as thoughtful as I am, joaquin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Nope, this doesn't explain the high inflation rate of health care. You're just making stuff up now.
    I'm not making anything up, it's all true. Add to the problem that the Government pays directly to the providers for medicaid, and medicare rather than let the system self regulate via competitive options, and what you end up with is people that are on a government system where there is no, not a single incentive to shop your healthcare out, thus feeding a marketplace that is no marketplace, but a regional monopoly on health services. If people had options on how to spend that money themselves through some sort of healthcare savings plan that starts from birth, we'd have a real marketplace with real capitalism going on, and we all know that when there is real competition for goods and services, the prices reflect the market conditions. Same thing applies to pharma. Government intrusion via the FDA costs these companies 100's of millions to bring a drug to market, andnthey are protected for 20 years. Well, how about we make it less expensive for them to do so, and then offer them 5 or 7 years of protection? Why do you think that big pharma was the ones that lobbied to have it this way? I'll tell you, because they've already done the math. They'd all prefer to pay 300 million to bring a drug to market, then enjoy 20 years of protection than pay 20 million and have only 5 years. Why is it that after 20 years generic drugs are distributed for pennies compared to the costs that were incurred during the "protection" phase? Also do away with the changing of a drugs description, or minor tweaking of an already existing drug into something similar but not, and then giving them another 20 years of protection.. Want an example. Take Prilosec, you know the purple pill that releive heartburn? Read up on it sparky you might learn something about why we pay so much in healthcare..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Better DEAD than RED, joaguin; and those seem to be the only two options you people want to have available anymore.
    Oh, I'm sure living in a red state can't be that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    We have the highest health care cost because we're the fattest country in the world bar none, we have the most smokers (myself included), we eat the most sugar than anyone else, and eat the most processed foods.
    We have the highest health care costs in the world because we have a wasteful profit-driven, fee-for-service health care system. The factors you try to hide behind actually exist everywhere. Differences are at the margin. The US is 34th in per capita tobacco consumption by the way. The task of every health care system is to care for the health of the population. If a population is overweight, smokes too much, or consumes a lot of sugar, the health care system needs to deal with those issues. It is no different from a population that drinks beer or wine by the liter, makes everything out of potatoes, or lives in a frigid climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, I'm sure living in a red state can't be that bad.
    Cute. I was thinking more in the 1950's interpretation than the current one. Having lived in Blue States my entire life, I could only WISH to live in a Red State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Cute. I was thinking more in the 1950's interpretation than the current one. Having lived in Blue States my entire life, I could only WISH to live in a Red State.
    Personally, I prefer the 21st. century, but that's just me.

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