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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It didn't start as an emergency, but I had to go through so many referrals before I got to someone who was qualified to assess such a rare kind of cyst that by the time I got there -- some 2 months later -- it had become pretty serious. There was no reason for me to go through half a dozen different doctors. It was obviously unusual on the ultrasound. They could have sent me to a specialist right away, but no, because specialists are booked out for months, so they send you to someone less qualified instead and hope for the best.

    I can't help but laugh when Americans go on about wait times in other countries.
    I remember back in the US I had to get an MRI on my knee and it took 2 months to finally get there, by that time it had mostly healed and showed nothing, so they didn't do anything for me. Even though the Xray I got the day after showed how swollen it was. And that was in the Army, which is supposed to be faster (though not necessarily better) medical care than the civilian world.

    Here my wife got an MRI on her knee within a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Hmmm. You must have a pre-exsiting condition or have been a very bad boy. Average male life expectancy at age 65 is 17.2 years. And of course, your current insurance company may require that you sign up for Medicare once you turn 65. Depends on who the carrier is and what sort of coverage you have and expect to continue beyond that point.
    Average male life expectancy with medical care is 17.2 years. What is it without medical care? I will not take Government Medical, including Medicare; which means that at age 65 I lose my medical care. I'll likely be blind within 8-12 months from my glaucoma, and dead within 36 months (at the outside).

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Another motif of conservatism -- a culture of death.
    We Conservatives don't fear Death the way that so many of you Progressives and Liberals seem to. We believe there's something more beyond this life, whereas many of you seem to feel that Death is the End. Maybe that's why we're not scared of Death like you folks are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Problems of scale abound in other industries and are regularly resolved by them. How can USPS get a letter from any American to any other American within two days for 45 cents? If our health care system were that efficient, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
    USPS is bleeding money. Our health care system is a mess. Both are semi-run by the government. Coincidence? Or is that the government is totally unable to ever run anything efficiently or for that matter, rarely effectively. I find it funny, so many want to turn over something as important to them as Healthcare to the government with the governments track record on management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    We have the most expensive system in the advanced world, with some of the worst health outcomes. That's because our for profit pay for service model is totally and completely maladapted for health care -- for well known reasons, the most obvious being lack of price elasticity.

    It's time for single payer. End of story. Our rationing of health care by income has failed.
    We have the highest health care cost because we're the fattest country in the world bar none, we have the most smokers (myself included), we eat the most sugar than anyone else, and eat the most processed foods. Your health is almost always determined by what and how much you eat, period. I agree that in a free society you can't legislate behavior, but you sure as hell can admonish it publicly. Of course that assumes that people feel shame, but the latest evidence is that shame is no longer in the lexicon.


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    I'd hardly rank car-accidents: which are due to road conditions, number of autos in use, etc - and things like coronary heart disease as being in the same 'category' of concern because of the vast difference in causes.

    What are things per populous? I've done enough with statistics to know that sometimes per-populous is vastly different than per set unit (IE: per 100,000)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    We have the highest health care cost because we're the fattest country in the world bar none, we have the most smokers (myself included), we eat the most sugar than anyone else, and eat the most processed foods. Your health is almost always determined by what and how much you eat, period. I agree that in a free society you can't legislate behavior, but you sure as hell can admonish it publicly. Of course that assumes that people feel shame, but the latest evidence is that shame is no longer in the lexicon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Average male life expectancy with medical care is 17.2 years. What is it without medical care? I will not take Government Medical, including Medicare; which means that at age 65 I lose my medical care. I'll likely be blind within 8-12 months from my glaucoma, and dead within 36 months (at the outside).



    We Conservatives don't fear Death the way that so many of you Progressives and Liberals seem to. We believe there's something more beyond this life, whereas many of you seem to feel that Death is the End. Maybe that's why we're not scared of Death like you folks are.
    There is a difference between being "scared of Death" and having a death wish.

    Moreover, there is that quality of life thing. Your quality of life can be much better with a particular medication than it will be without it, depending, of course, on what life throws at you as you age.

    Once you reach the magic age of 65, there is no alternative to Medicare unless you have far more money than most of us will ever see. Once you're on Medicare, there really is no difference from being on insurance anyway. You choose your doctor, you pay your copays, you get treatment, and life goes on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    There is a difference between being "scared of Death" and having a death wish.
    True. Without a doubt. I don't have either. What I do have are Principles, which I hold more valuable than my life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Moreover, there is that quality of life thing. Your quality of life can be much better with a particular medication than it will be without it, depending, of course, on what life throws at you as you age.
    I go out of my way to take as few medications as possible. I avoid pain medications, cold and flu remedies, etc... unless they are absolutely necessary, and even then rarely take them as often as recommended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Once you reach the magic age of 65, there is no alternative to Medicare unless you have far more money than most of us will ever see. Once you're on Medicare, there really is no difference from being on insurance anyway. You choose your doctor, you pay your copays, you get treatment, and life goes on.
    You are correct that there is no alternative, in terms of getting care. I will not take Government Medical Care. It's just that simple. My principles are more important to me than my health or life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post

    We Conservatives don't fear Death the way that so many of you Progressives and Liberals seem to. We believe there's something more beyond this life, whereas many of you seem to feel that Death is the End. Maybe that's why we're not scared of Death like you folks are.
    Conservatives just get weirder and weirder. Now a debate about healthcare turns into proclamations about how brave rightwingers are in the face of death. I say, fine, don't seek medical care and let the rest of us take care of ourselves and kids with a rational single payer system. You guys can wither away in the corner, heroically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    We have the highest health care cost because we're the fattest country in the world bar none, we have the most smokers (myself included), we eat the most sugar than anyone else, and eat the most processed foods. Your health is almost always determined by what and how much you eat, period. I agree that in a free society you can't legislate behavior, but you sure as hell can admonish it publicly. Of course that assumes that people feel shame, but the latest evidence is that shame is no longer in the lexicon.


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    Nope, this doesn't explain the high inflation rate of health care. You're just making stuff up now.

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