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Thread: New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Which is exactly why my Living Will is written the way it is. Even while I have insurance, any medical service that would be required to be paid for by the Government is not allowed. I figure I've got about 3 years (tops) before I end up toast once I reach age 65.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Now, try reading the links. Btw, the number of doctors IS listed. And you seem to have missed the very first line:
    $4 billion dollars paid by insurers for malpractice in the USA 1999
    1999? You couldn't find anything since then, or you didn't like what you did find?

    Total US malpractice claims paid in 2011: $6 billion. Number of patients receiving payments: 19,000. Average claim payment: $315,000. Total malpractice premiums paid to insurers in 2011: $31 billion.

    Where did the other $25 billion go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gingern44 View Post
    ??? Where?
    On the very first page of this thread you didn't read.

    Here:



    And here:


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Even more of a concern when contrasted with this:

    Healthcare spending around the world, country by country

    "The US spends more than any other country in the world on healthcare"

    Healthcare spending around the world, country by country | News | guardian.co.uk
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    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Because health care has no price elasticity, which is why fee for service is the wrong model. In addition there is information inequality in a hospital setting. If you're sick and hospitalized, you're there to get well, not to negotiation the price of an aspirin, especially since if your hospitalized you probably have bigger problems, and you'll pay anything to get cured. All this has been thoroughly studied by economists.
    Yes, and they have over and over again found what you have reported.

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    Our model fails and will continue to fail. Markets cannot provide efficient health care.
    Interesting book that covers much of this is How American Health Care Killed My Father. Here is an excerpt from it that appeared in the September 2009 edition of The Atlantic.

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    Yea, but it doesn't end there. We're also at the bottom of the barrel (or top depending on perspective) in costs per consultation, per surgical procedures, per hospital discharge and pharmaceutical costs, all while actual utilization of said services ranks near or at the bottom of the barrel. If only we were "getting what we pay for" as some have suggested..

    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/me...intl_brief.pdf

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    I feel a need to point out the poor reporting methods of "civilized" western nations. That is very important when it comes to things like stillborns and such,

    I would also point to some of this as evidence of our inner city problems. We have so much inner city poverty it is tough to do anything. Why? We have 304 million citizens. A lot harder to realistically handle that,
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    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Yea, but it doesn't end there. We're also at the bottom of the barrel (or top depending on perspective) in costs per consultation, per surgical procedures, per hospital discharge and pharmaceutical costs, all while actual utilization of said services ranks near or at the bottom of the barrel. If only we were "getting what we pay for" as some have suggested..

    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/me...intl_brief.pdf
    I have read we have outstanding treatment, but bad prevention. How exactly do you provide cost efficient preventative medicine to 310 million people without falling off in other abilities?
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    Problems of scale abound in other industries and are regularly resolved by them. How can USPS get a letter from any American to any other American within two days for 45 cents? If our health care system were that efficient, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Problems of scale abound in other industries and are regularly resolved by them. How can USPS get a letter from any American to any other American within two days for 45 cents? If our health care system were that efficient, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
    How do you make health care as efficient as the USPS? Not to mention the USPS is STILL having financial trouble. Problem of scales CAN be resolved as long as they are taken PROPERLY into consideration. Scales will be a huge issue for any kind of free health care in the United States. We have have so many people that would probably abuse the system (as it is now...emergency services get abused horrifically...hence $800 bills just to ride in an ambulance). The COST would be the biggest problem. As it is now...how much of the cost is handled through that wonderful...albeit irritating...capitalist scheme of insurance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We will have to eventually upgrade to single payer plan as the rest of the industrialized world has done, people will not continue to support the worst outcomes for the highest cost.
    They will suffer with so-so health care, higher taxes to support it and by God they better be happy with it.....just like the rest of the industrialized world. Going to be major suckage for the lawyers though....
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