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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Coming from a Country that has a working UHC scheme, i don't understand such anger and animosity at the thought of the government having some control over your health care. It's not like what you have now is working or anything special. While you are so hell bent on shouting down the public option, all you are doing is lobbying to keep pouring money into the pockets of insurance companies who have been the ones rationing healthcare as you see it today. The health insurance companies do not care about you, if they did they would not focus so much of their time trying to get out of paying claims and compromising yours and your families health while premiums keep increasing.
    Let me see if I can explain it to you. There are still more than a few of us here in the United States who believe two things when it comes to healthcare: a) Healthcare is a Privilege, not a Right & b) Since it is a Privilege, it is up to each individual how much or how little of it they want to avail themselves of and/or pay for. It's something we call Personal Responsibility.

    What we have now IS working for a vast majority of American citizens. It may not be a perfect system, but it's one we're used to and which works for most of us. The Federal/State Governments do not have out best interests in mind any more than the insurance companies do. In fact, I would suggest that the Government is even less likely to have my best interst in mind than the insurance company.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    At the end of the day, it's really not much good having some of the best health care facilities and Doctors in the world (which the US do), if people don't have access to it in a timely and afforable manner.
    At the end of the day it is not a good idea to allow the Government to tell you how you have to run your life, what medical care you can, can't, and have to get, and how much you must pay for your (and everyone else's) healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The ususal suspects on this board have latched on to these figures as evidence for single payer or socialized medicine.
    These figures are just another drop in the ocean. Where have you been all this time? Do you know why health care was such a big issue in the 2008 campaign? Do you know why Clinton tried to reform health care? Nixon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    At the end of the day it is not a good idea to allow the Government to tell you how you have to run your life, what medical care you can, can't, and have to get, and how much you must pay for your (and everyone else's) healthcare.
    Hmmm. Better than 60% of the health care provided by the system you wish to die for is funded through public programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, TRI-CARE, S-CHIP, and the VA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Like I said I have a very high deductable plan with a very cheap premium. Its actual insurance. You dont use unless you are in serious deep kimchi. Like holes being plugged, kindneys being replaced, livers repaired. That sort of thing. Most peoples insurance is prepaid medical and thats why its so bloody expensive. Between my deductable my insurance payment and what I normaly spend in a year on medical expences for the familiy I am currently at a twentieth of what a normal health care premium would be. Hell even when I was building up the deductable reserve I was still at a third the cost. Another secret is that because I have a subsantial deductable saved up in the HSA there are now years were the health care for the year is paid for by the interest on the account investments and we actually make a small bit of money. Further there is enough in the dedcutable right now to be able to substantialy pay for major surgeries without tapping into the insurance. Which means to me that fat people dont effect MY premiums as much as they effect yours. Simple mathmatics I pay less premium therefore the cost a fat person would add is corispondingly less. My insurance is very simple. There are no bells and whistles. If I or my family needs to access it, it will pay 100% including corrisponding perscriptions and any anccileraries after the deductable which is substantial, about 25,000. However the cap is 10,000,000. Thats a lot of hospital care. Between this and the familiy cash only physician theres very little we actually subsidize with our medical dollars.
    That's the sort of plan we should all have, insurance rather than pre paid medical. Costs would go down dramatically.

    As it is though, people with lifestyle illnesses still cost the rest of us as costs are averaged out for a group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's the sort of plan we should all have, insurance rather than pre paid medical. Costs would go down dramatically.
    You can save a lot of money on gas by not having a car.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    As it is though, people with lifestyle illnesses still cost the rest of us as costs are averaged out for a group.
    Yeah, us sedentary people are getting sick and tired of paying for all those knee surgeries for joggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    You can save a lot of money on gas by not having a car.


    Yeah, us sedentary people are getting sick and tired of paying for all those knee surgeries for joggers.
    LOL! You do have a point there. Moreover, the sedentary people don't cost as much for social security, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Hmmm. Better than 60% of the health care provided by the system you wish to die for is funded through public programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, TRI-CARE, S-CHIP, and the VA.
    Which is exactly why my Living Will is written the way it is. Even while I have insurance, any medical service that would be required to be paid for by the Government is not allowed. I figure I've got about 3 years (tops) before I end up toast once I reach age 65.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Wanna bet? Some of us most definitely will defend the current system to the death (most likely our own).
    Yes, a very tiny percentage of the public would defend to the death the most expensive health care system in the world. Those people are irrelevant politically, and they have no plan to reduce health care costs in this country.

    BTW, I thought you were leaving the country. What happened with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    These figures are just another drop in the ocean. Where have you been all this time? Do you know why health care was such a big issue in the 2008 campaign? Do you know why Clinton tried to reform health care? Nixon?
    Figures that are irrelevant to the quality or cost of care are irrelevant to the quality or cost of care. But it not a shock that you would defend them as relevant anyway.

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