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We already do whether you realize it or not. I stopped playing nice or fair or by the rules a long long time ago. Nice guys dont finish first, they get ate up and their bones spit out.

I guess that all depends on what your goal is. Nice guys finish first in the only race that really matters.
 
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No, their actions were high treason and in violation of their sworn oaths to the crown.

... your forgot to say /sarcasm

... right?
 
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I guess that all depends on what your goal is. Nice guys finish first in the only race that really matters.

What race would that be?
 
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What race would that be?

The "race" to the kingdom of heaven, metaphorically speaking of course. It's not really a race.
 
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Actually you are right about rights, there is no such thing as natural or god given rights. The only rights you have are the ones you take. I really could give a rats ass about OTHER peoples rights. I live by the golden rule because most of the time it is convient. The times its not well, lets just say I am not the nicest of people. That said there IS a contract in place, called the Constitution. If people expect me to abide by the terms of the contract then they should expect to abide the contract themselves. If they dont or wont, why would they expect me to? As I see it, my government for some time has NOT abided the Constitution of this union, if my government wont abide it, neither shall I. The law currently is a just a tool used by the government to suppress those they dont favor. I prefer to manipulate the people who run the government to see things my way and leave me alone. Its much easier that way. Of course there are the adle brained fools who actually believe the nonsence they spout, they can be gotten around if a little bit less conviently. I suppose it is a bit cynical. I have become that more of late. To tell the truth though the idealist in me has not quite died, but is definately on its last legs. Whether or not the government bans firearms is for me immaterial as I have more than sufficent means to defend myself and those I care for from most anybody. Of course the government tells me not to do many things. I dont listen to them very often. The only real concern I have is the fact that potential unrest disturbs my interests.

I would have to agree mostly with this. guns stay or guns go i don't care too much. The boat is pretty damned comfortable if you stay below radar and are not a giant target. That is really the way I see laws should be enforced. When you do something stupid that screws things up for everyone else then you get hammered. Other than that I just like arguing. In a personal sense tomorrow is no different for me personally if i have a gun or not. If I have a gun i keep a lid on it and it is only there for dire need which isn't very often as far as I can see. If i don't have a gun a gun ban doesn't effect me. What does effect me is a bunch of riled up nitwits who want to start shooting places up. That is a problem. If they wanted to march peacefully about guns i would welcome them to do so, but when they start talking about engaging in a war basically because they want to brag about having a gun that is when I have to agree that they need to be wrangled for the smooth operation of society because they are too uptight to get along. I am certainly not going to war so the loud and obnoxious can continue to be loud and obnoxious because they have a gun.

Then there is the other problem. A lot of these people are the bossy ones on the right. The ones who want to limit birth control, abortion, gay rights, and perhaps even the rights of brown people. There are a whole bunch of them that could care less about freedom and liberty, they want to own guns so they can scare the hell out of the people they don't like. I am not fighting for that either, and I really don't care if those people get arrested or even blown away. The american government may not be making great financial turns, but on liberties it seems to be coming around. I support drug rights, but i am not going out and joining up with a gang because i think i need to fight that way for them. That is really what some of these people are talking about. they want to go out in gangs and push people around for what they want. If you want to be in a gang they will treat you like one, and I am not sticking my neck out for such absurdity. However, if it is peaceful and rational arguments for the right to have guns I can go with that and not look like an idiot when I point to the safe rational gun owners and say they are not a danger.
 
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The "race" to the kingdom of heaven, metaphorically speaking of course. It's not really a race.

To each their own. Good luck. I hope you "win" and find what you are looking for.
 
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To each their own. Good luck. I hope you "win" and find what you are looking for.

Oh, I already did, thanks.
 
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All that being said....I don't see one God blessed thing in your list that does anything to address violence. It's all about controlling gun owners and doesn't step so much as a pinky toe into the waters of making schools and shopping malls and movie theaters any safer. Why don't you just admit it, you really couldn't care less about safety as long as you get to mess with some completely innocent lawful citizen. You're a bully and worse than that you're a bully who wants to use the power of the state to sanction that bullying.
:lol: Well for me to just state what I think is true is being a bully, than you too must be one. If you wish to believe some of what I showed you as "unenforceable", than let us look at what something that the pro gun advocates believe is "enforceable", shall we?

The pro gun advocates say that if we have armed teachers or armed guards at schools, we can nip a specific problem in the butt on an assailant(s) walking in and killing people, right? Well do you remember Columbine High? They had armed guards. I guess that was not too enforceable, huh.

And Ronald Reagan; he got shot, and it wasn't even with an assault weapon, and he had the best armed people guarding him. What happened there?
 
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Context is everything and although he used the phrase "start killing people" it was prefaced by "if this goes one inch further".

Yeager was obviously - and rightly - pissed off about the likelihood of Obama doing by EO what he knows won't pass congress and that's a problem. Personally, I'd go so far as to suggest that if Obama overreaches on this gun control stuff it would be incumbent on the American people to get him out of that office by whatever means become necessary.

And it turns out, he was full of ****e

His words led the govt to pull his carry permit, and the little weasel isn't going to do anything about it except maybe whine about it in court

Like all the other bed-wetters who talk tough on the Internet, he folded when challenged.
 
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Don't know what you are talking about, but not unexpected as so few seem to know real history, preferring only the version that supports their personal beliefs.



that was from a court decision back in 1842

Then we have a decision handed down in 1820 that has a bit to say about that whole "well regulated militia" bit, which most unlimited gun advocates either ignore or interpret in some bizarre manner


and what is the "militia"? The National Defense Act of 1916 stated:



So those who claim the right to keep and bear arms was intended by the Founders as a means of protesting or overthrowing a tyrannical federal government - ye know not whereof ye speak.
The Bill of Rights was not written for governments or organizations, it was written to preserve the individual rights of citizens. As for precedence...it is pretty clearly established that the citizens of this country do indeed have the right to keep and bear arms. As evidence, we have approximately 55 million homes and 120 million private citizens each day exercising that right.
 
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The Bill of Rights was not written for governments or organizations, it was written to preserve the individual rights of citizens. As for precedence...it is pretty clearly established that the citizens of this country do indeed have the right to keep and bear arms. As evidence, we have approximately 55 million homes and 120 million private citizens each day exercising that right.

And most of them disagree with you about regulating guns :lol:
 
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And most of them disagree with you about regulating guns :lol:
Actually the figures are running about 9-1 against regulating guns. But mindless ideologues...they are all for it, regardless if it will actually help or not.
 
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:lol: Well for me to just state what I think is true is being a bully, than you too must be one. If you wish to believe some of what I showed you as "unenforceable", than let us look at what something that the pro gun advocates believe is "enforceable", shall we?

The pro gun advocates say that if we have armed teachers or armed guards at schools, we can nip a specific problem in the butt on an assailant(s) walking in and killing people, right? Well do you remember Columbine High? They had armed guards. I guess that was not too enforceable, huh.

And Ronald Reagan; he got shot, and it wasn't even with an assault weapon, and he had the best armed people guarding him. What happened there?

The difference is that I'm not the one imposing sanctions on innocent people. I'm not the one who is suggesting that we treat every swinging dick in this country as if they are a criminal and I'm not the one suggesting that government should use force to coerce private citizens who have done nothing wrong to subject themselves to sanctions because some douchebag holding an elected office refuses to address safety and instead has chosen to address an issue that he figures will score him political points.
 
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Wait...you think THOSE results indicate support for greater 'gun control'? :lamo

Arguing with Thunder was exasperating because he was such an ideologue and moron. Turns out...arguing with his less intelligent clone is even more ridiculous.

You argued with Thunder?

And you think I'm dumb? :lamo
 
You argued with Thunder?

And you think I'm dumb? :lamo

Indeed. And seeing how quickly you throw him under the bus when he isn't here you say all I need to see concerning your personal character and integrity as well as your intellect.
 
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Indeed. And seeing how quickly you throw him under the bus when he isn't here you say all I need to see concerning your personal character and integrity as well as your intellect.

I'm truly hurt that you don't like my character :sob:
 
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The difference is that I'm not the one imposing sanctions on innocent people.
No. But you are ignoring a prevalent problem that needs to be addressed.

I'm not the one who is suggesting that we treat every swinging dick in this country as if they are a criminal and I'm not the one suggesting that government should use force to coerce private citizens who have done nothing wrong to subject themselves to sanctions because some douchebag holding an elected office refuses to address safety and instead has chosen to address an issue that he figures will score him political points.
He is choosing to address safety, but everything that is logical about the situation you and other gun proponents do not like--people with mental issues should not be able to get a gun; the amount of ammo that goes in to a clip; closing loopholes at gun shows; not be able to purchase over the internet; etc;---you despise; however, you do like people in schools with guns, which has been proven with Columbine High to not work.
 
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Yea stricter gun laws apparently= right for a civil war and this man is happy to fire the first shot to start killing people... :shock:
****ing nuts. [/FONT][/COLOR]

It's one random guy out of 311,591,917 talking **** because he mad. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
 
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No. But you are ignoring a prevalent problem that needs to be addressed.

He is choosing to address safety, but everything that is logical about the situation you and other gun proponents do not like--people with mental issues should not be able to get a gun; the amount of ammo that goes in to a clip; closing loopholes at gun shows; not be able to purchase over the internet; etc;---you despise; however, you do like people in schools with guns, which has been proven with Columbine High to not work.

Turn off the spin cycle and stop twisting his words.

Killers in schools is quite different than armed responsible citizens protecting students.
 
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Killers in schools is quite different than armed responsible citizens protecting students.
I agree. So lets take the guns from the killers by stopping the ignorance with the mentally-ill people getting guns in easy ways--loopholes at gun shows; etc;
 
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No. But you are ignoring a prevalent problem that needs to be addressed.

He is choosing to address safety, but everything that is logical about the situation you and other gun proponents do not like--people with mental issues should not be able to get a gun; the amount of ammo that goes in to a clip; closing loopholes at gun shows; not be able to purchase over the internet; etc;---you despise; however, you do like people in schools with guns, which has been proven with Columbine High to not work.

The cop on duty at Columbine was not in the school when the shooting started and the rest of the cops chose not to enter the school for something like 30 minutes. Apparently the one resource officer did engage one of the shooters but did so from some distance and did not re-engage when the shooter went back into the building.

I won't make any bones about it...even with an armed response force on scene it's quite likely that a suicidal shooter in an ambush situation is going to do some damage. It's unlikely that anything other than pure dumb luck would stop the initial assault but it then becomes the follow up which is important and in the case of Columbine that was handled in such a way that the police considered their safety before that of the students.

I have no desire to get into hypotheticals because they serve only a limited purpose but suffice it to say bans on firearms and ammo will have no effect on the ability of criminals to obtain those items and will restrict the ability of law abiding people to properly defend themselves.

If we REALLY want to have a discussion about violence than make the damned conversation about THAT instead of about lawful gun owners.


y'know...I was going to stop at that but this issue is getting tiresome and the same old arguments keep coming up but nobody is bothering to discuss the root causes of this kind of crap.

Here's the deal....some people have a proclivity for crime and/or violence. There are a lot of reasons that people head this direction and if we really want to stop gun violence then we need to address the right things:

1. Kids with problems are treated as if they are victims of their environment or their upbringing or some disease. They are not encouraged to overcome those adversities but, rather, taught that it's "not their fault". Well, although it's not the kids fault that his mother is a drunk and his father is a bum that doesn't mean that they don't have a responsibility to be stand up citizens. Just because some kid has some kind of mental issue doesn't mean that he shouldn't be assisted and encouraged to life a lawful and fruitful life despite that disability. If we really care about our children then we will have expectations of them and encourage them to live up to those expectations. But we don't do that. We take a kid like Jared Loughner and just keep on telling him that he's a problem that can't be fixed and leave him to whatever fate befalls him. Sure, we order counseling and evaluations but when that isn't working he's just abandoned. Well, what the hell do you think is going to happen when a kid is told that not only is he broken and unfixable but that now he's on his own? If the people he interacts with don't care about him it probably won't be too long before he acts out against those people.

2. We have a whole lot of kids growing up in areas where poverty and a general sense of oppression is the common state. What do we do with these kids? We tell them that they have no chance in society because the wealthy or the racists or the capitalists or whatever won't allow them to succeed. We teach them that a life of crime is the only way they are going to be able to overcome their situation. Is it any wonder that the gang "family" ends up holding more sway than any other authority figure? Is it any wonder that they choose violence and rebellion as their "way out"? Even worse, we have sociopaths that prey on these kids. As soon as that kid takes one too many steps into the "legitimate" world they are called sellouts and treated as pariahs.

Do you really want to stop the culture of violence? If you do then you need to focus on the things that breed violence instead of just looking at the results of treating symptoms instead of the disease.

The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding, caring and upstanding citizens who want nothing more than to protect themselves from the part of society that, for whatever reason, doesn't comply with the norms of decent and respectable behavior. Don't punish those people because if you do all that will happen is that you will turn those good people into criminals who, left with no other choice, shirk the law just to provide that additional modicum of safety that the state either can not or will not.
 
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I agree. So lets take the guns from the killers by stopping the ignorance with the mentally-ill people getting guns in easy ways--loopholes at gun shows; etc;

Oh looky, more dishonest spin.

Prove that mentally ill people buy guns at gun shows.

How will you identify and track mentally ill people?

What standards dictate 'mentally ill'?

I'll be waiting patiently for your detailed response
 
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Oh looky, more dishonest spin.
I'm sorry, I disagree.

Prove that mentally ill people buy guns at gun shows.
Many Mentally Ill Can Buy Guns

How will you identify and track mentally ill people?
By making it legally mandatory that individual states comply with tracking them.

What standards dictate 'mentally ill'?
A good start might be a person that not only wants to hurt themselves but others as well.
 
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