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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    OMG a gun supporter with a brain? Oh man, you are going to be the first to die and i will mourn your death for it will be the death of a voice of reason within the gun community. I just wish more gun owners were aware that shooting up the streets, or threatening to do so, is not a way to show gun owners can be non-violent.
    Way to utterly fail to understand the point, and the seriousness of this issue.

    Should the government become tyrannical, defending the constitution from domestic enemies is NOT about showing that. What revolutionary want to be perceived as NOT a threat?

    The FACT that most gun owners ARE non-violent doesn't need to be shown, its already self evident to anyone who can read statistics. Having a line in the sand that if crossed will make one defend their rights is only crazy to someone who would never fight for their rights, even at the point of slavery.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We are still a Republic and the natural rights which our Constitution forbids the government from infringing upon still exist and will always exist. If 99.99% of the population wants to ban guns then tough **** because it's still a natural right and the Constitution still prohibits government from taking that kind of action. Once you get rid of the 2nd amendment you may as well get rid of the rest of the Constitution because it won't be worth the paper it's written on.

    or in other words: "I can't actually answer your questions so I will post some other words"

    Then there is the question that comes to mind: When did owning a lethal firearm become a "natural right"? At this time, you can label it what ever you wish but the real world says that it is the government in all of its many forms that presently allows you to own firearms.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Context is everything and although he used the phrase "start killing people" it was prefaced by "if this goes one inch further".
    Really? I'll tell you what, you go tell Mr. Gibbons, who was most likely, and I am speculating here, responsible for signing that permit, to relax and not worry about that one-inch-further-thing. I'm sure he will tell you about his responsibilities as well as his rights as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Yeager was obviously - and rightly - pissed off about the likelihood of Obama doing by EO what he knows won't pass congress and that's a problem. Personally, I'd go so far as to suggest that if Obama overreaches on this gun control stuff it would be incumbent on the American people to get him out of that office by whatever means become necessary.
    Oh, yeah, that Executive Order thing. If he does do anything concerning that, I'm willing to believe that it will be elements that will address the following things that the courts will uphold:

    • He should end the "gun show loophole" to force people who buy guns at a gun show or through private sales and online shopping to have a background check: 92% of Americans favor this position per Gallup, while PPP puts support at 76%.
    • Obama should seek to ban high-capacity ammunition clips that contain more than 10 bullets: CNN/ORC, Gallup, Pew, PPP, and YouGov all show at least 53% of Americans in favor of this policy.
    • Obama should seek to ban high-capacity ammunition clips that contain more than 10 bullets: CNN/ORC, Gallup, Pew, PPP, and YouGov all show at least 53% of Americans in favor of this policy.
    • He should seek ways to ensure that people with poor mental health records do not get a gun: CNN/ORC found that 92% Americans did not want Americans with mental health problems to be in possession of a gun; PPP took it one step farther and discovered that 63% of Americans want people to be required to take a health exam before buying a gun. Obama should obviously prevent felons convicted of a violent crime from owning a gun: 94% and 92% approve of that measure, per PPP and CNN/ORC respectively.
    • Obama should look to ban outright bullets that explode or are designed to break through a bullet-proof vest: Pew found that 56% favor this position.
    • He should try to make sure that guns, even if not recently purchased, would be registered with a government or law enforcement agency: CNN/ORC finds 78% agree with that policy.
    • Obama should try to make it more difficult to buy ammunition and/or guns over the internet: 69% of Americans wanted to ban these practices, according to PPP.


    I do agree with the Guardian on the assault weapon ban using the EO; if he does do it, it should be done legislatively. But Obama needs to do this while having a narrow window to complete this.

    My personal opinion, is that the GOP controlled house is going to go along with the vast majority of those elements I showed you; they are already not standing well with that "fiscal cliff" thing and did not fare well in the Senate in last November's election, so they are sitting in those seats in the House--and sitting nervously.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    or in other words: "I can't actually answer your questions so I will post some other words"

    Then there is the question that comes to mind: When did owning a lethal firearm become a "natural right"? At this time, you can label it what ever you wish but the real world says that it is the government in all of its many forms that presently allows you to own firearms.
    The Bill of Rights doesn't grant a thing, it prevents governments from infringing on that which is already there. If you're ignorant to the subject of a natural right, google is your friend.

    I am free man, I do not require anyone's permission for this.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Gun owners please feel free to protest like crazy. you have all this energy so go do a protest or a bunch of them. leave your guns at home because they have no place in a peaceful protest, and if they are at home in a safe place they cannot be confiscated and you keep them. I know how the cops work. keep your guns, keep it on a low key. protest in a loud voice that this is wrong. Don't make threats of violence. All that does is just show them who to disarm first. All that shows society is that you are a angry nasty bully. No one likes that. What they do like is the calm respectable guy who is not going to flip out and is reliable. Most people do not have a problem with the calm level headed guy who doesn't spout off and make threats having a gun. They do have a problem with the guy who threatens violence and uses their gun as some sort of intimidation factor by making innuendo that they are willing to use it. You are letting too many of those latter people talk for you.

    I know that some of you under control people are soft spoken and respectful and still own a gun. Now is the time to respectfully tell your brothers and sisters in arms to sit down and STFU.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What's that "one more inch"?

    Assigning a $100 fee for every NICS check.
    Limiting the number of NICS checks an FFL can make in a given period of time.
    Outlawing the transfer of firearms between private owners.
    Outlawing common firearms accessories such as 30 round magazines for AR's while allowing them for state use.
    Outlawing semi-automatic firearms.
    National registration of firearms.

    In short, anything which serves to infringe upon the rights of lawful private citizens to properly maintain the ability to defend themselves from known and common threats.
    Thanks for answering only half of what I asked. Thanks again for throwing some fairly odd 'reasons'

    I think there is a damn good possibility for reduced mag cap, so you think blood will be flowing, or does ALL the restrictions have to be made law?

    Now answer the question I asked on YOUR STATEMENT- WTF do you mean by all means necessary to remove the Elected Leader of our Republic?

    Did you over reach?

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He's a hothead, but I'm hearing a lot of similar talk from a lot of other gun owners also... people need to realize that if they push too far on this issue there really will be violence... possibly a lot of it.


    I hope it doesn't come to that, but Pelosi's bill has some really outrageous, insane stuff in it and the notion of Constitutional infringement by one-man fiat (Executive Order) has many people already beyond enraged.
    If you don't want violence than you should support background checks on ALL gun sales. 74% of NRA members do.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Way to utterly fail to understand the point, and the seriousness of this issue.

    Should the government become tyrannical, defending the constitution from domestic enemies is NOT about showing that. What revolutionary want to be perceived as NOT a threat?

    The FACT that most gun owners ARE non-violent doesn't need to be shown, its already self evident to anyone who can read statistics. Having a line in the sand that if crossed will make one defend their rights is only crazy to someone who would never fight for their rights, even at the point of slavery.
    You are the loudmouthed reactionary guy who people don't want owning a gun because you make threats and oppress with it. You are also the ones who are going to contribute the most to getting guns banned. I also have a bet tyhat you are not going to be the one who stands up to face the authorities when they come to take your guns from you. There is a reason people like you have guns, and that is because you are afraid. A gun makes you less afraid because you are more powerful than other people in your mind. The problem is when the authorities come for your weapon they are going to have bigger and better guns and you are going to panic. That is what people like you do because you are not in control. You let your environment control you, and that is why you don't need to have a gun.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I don't care what the left is doing. Responding with violence, or even tacit threats of violence, isn't the answer.

    This talk of how there's going to be civil war and violent outbursts if Obama tries gun confiscation, how is that helpful? It's not. It's just crazy. Why don't those of us on the pro-gun side try to keep level-headed. We have the rational argument, so let's stop it with the rhetoric that makes the lefties look rational by comparison, huh?
    So what is your plan, Guy?

    If, on Tuesday, the recommendation comes down that Obama can act entirely on his own and require all FFL's to turn over their 4473's for the purpose of creating a national registry and assessing a $250 fee on every NICS check and Obama does that then what are you going to do? Are you just going to sit there and say, "Well, it could have been worse."

    Tell me, what would happen if those 2 things were implemented? How well would it work and how would those things make us any safer while preserving the right of the private citizen to keep and bear arms?

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    You are the loudmouthed reactionary guy who people don't want owning a gun because you make threats and oppress with it. You are also the ones who are going to contribute the most to getting guns banned. I also have a bet tyhat you are not going to be the one who stands up to face the authorities when they come to take your guns from you. There is a reason people like you have guns, and that is because you are afraid. A gun makes you less afraid because you are more powerful than other people in your mind. The problem is when the authorities come for your weapon they are going to have bigger and better guns and you are going to panic. That is what people like you do because you are not in control. You let your environment control you, and that is why you don't need to have a gun.
    Stopped reading after "loudmouthed"

    Goshin was right about you,
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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