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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    EO 12680 for importation ban

    You keep using the word ban when the correct term is capacity restriction. Bush the Elder's bill didn't pass into law, as much as he and Bill Ruger tried and it became the framework for and helped paved the way for the AWB of 1994. (FYI the AWB passed with bi-partisan support, it wasn't just a Clinton EO, it was BOTH houses of Congress)

    In regards to the PO-lice this isn't about 'power', this is about a group of professional men and women who train very hard to get a COMMISSION you lack. You keep denigrating that simple fact, where many conservatives ran out of the twin towers these dedicated men and women ran INTO the building. They get special stuff as you and your ilk complain constantly but truth is they have a much bigger job than simple home or self defense.

    You can't even give a straight answer on what YOU would do if the Gubmint goes that extra inch, you damn sure won't chase down a serial killer.

    Cops are different- get over it.
    I'm reading it now and I'm still confused as to what you're talking about.

    By virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including section 621 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended and section 301 of Title 3 of the United States Code, and in order to delegate certain functions to the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, it is hereby ordered as follows:

    Section 1. Section 1-102(a) of Executive Order No. 12163, as amended, is further amended by amending paragraphs (9) and (10) to read as follows:

    "(9) section 536 of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1989 (Public Law 100-461), to be exercised by the Administrator of the Agency for International Development within IDCA; and

    "(10) the first proviso under the heading 'Population, Development Assistance' contained in Title II of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1989 (Public Law 100-461), to be exercised by the Administrator of the Agency for International Development within IDCA."

    Sec. 2. Section 1-201(a) of Executive Order No. 12163, as amended, is further amended by amending paragraphs (26), (27), (28), and (29) to read as follows:

    "(26) sections 513, 526, 527, 539, 556, 564, and 565 of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1989 (Public Law 100-461);

    "(27) the fourth proviso under the heading 'Southern Africa, Development Assistance' contained in Title II of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1989 (Public Law 100-461);

    "(28) the proviso relating to tied aid credits under the heading 'Economic Support Fund' contained in Title II of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1989 (Public Law 100-461), which shall be exercised in consultation with the Administrator of the Agency for International Development within IDCA;

    "(29) subsection (c)(2) under the heading 'Foreign Military Sales Debt Reform' contained in Title III of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1988 (Public Law 100-202), and section 573(c) of that Act, both of which shall be exercised in consultation with the Secretary of Defense. In addition, section 573(c) shall be exercised in consultation with the Director of the United States Arms Control and Disarmament Agency;"

    Sec. 3. Section 1-201(a) of Executive Order No. 12163, as amended, is further amended by inserting the following new paragraphs at the end thereof:

    "(30) Section 566(d) of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1989 (as enacted in Public Law 100-461), which shall be exercised in consultation with the Secretary of Defense: and

    "(31) sections 4101(b), 4205(d), 4307(a), and 4309 of the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988 (Public Law 100-690). The Secretary of State in implementing the functions delegated to him under section 4205(d) shall consult with the Secretary of Defense."

    Sec. 4. Section 1-301 of Executive Order No. 12163, as amended, is further amended by amending section (f) to read as follows:

    "(f) The functions conferred upon the President under section 566(c) of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1989 (Public Law 100-461)."

    Sec. 5. Section 1 of the Executive Order No. 11958, as amended, is further amended:

    (1) by inserting in the first paragraph "and related legislation," after "the Act,".

    (2) by inserting the following new paragraphs at the end of the section:

    "(q) Those under Section 2(b)(6) of the Export-Import Bank Act of 1945 (b)(6)) to the Secretary of State.".

    "(r) Those under Section 588(b) of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1989 (Public Law 100-461), to the Secretary of Defense, except with respect to the determination of an emergency as provided by subsection (b)(3). The Secretary of Defense in implementation of the functions delegated to him under section 588(b) shall consult with the Secretary of State."

    Sec. 6. Section 1(e) of Executive Order No. 11958, as amended, is further amended by inserting "and section 580 of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1989 (Public Law 100-461)." after "Section 23 of the Act".

    Sec. 7. Section 1(l) of Executive Order No. 11958, as amended, is further amended by striking out the semicolon at the end of the second sentence of paragraph (l) and inserting a period in lieu thereof, and by adding the following sentence at the end of paragraph (l):

    "The authority to undertake activities to ensure compliance with established export conditions may be redelegated to the Secretary of Defense, or to the head of another department or agency as appropriate, which shall exercise such functions in consultation with the Secretary of State;".

    Sec. 8. Section 2(a) of Executive Order No. 11958, as amended, is further amended by deleting "and" after "International Development Cooperation Agency" and inserting "and the Chairman of the Export-Import Bank," after "Arms Control and Disarmament Agency,".

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    And for the other...did you happen to read the text of the proposed legislation? It involved prohibiting the domestic manufacture of firearms that were prohibited from import for various reasons.

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    As far as cop powers.....I'm pretty damned familiar with them because I was a cop while in the service and worked extensively with cops (and Customs and DEA and other law enforcement agencies) after I got out.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm reading it now and I'm still confused as to what you're talking about.



    And for the other...did you happen to read the text of the proposed legislation? It involved prohibiting the domestic manufacture of firearms that were prohibited from import for various reasons.

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    As far as cop powers.....I'm pretty damned familiar with them because I was a cop while in the service and worked extensively with cops (and Customs and DEA and other law enforcement agencies) after I got out.
    My bad, President Bush the Elder ordered the BATFE to ban semis like the AK from importation. He didn't upset the US made apple cart however.

    Google it and see, the importation of ban of 1989. Because of it the AK and Uzi to name the two most popular imports were already banned before the 1994 AWB, which as noted passed both Houses- something Bush the Elder didn't bother with in 1989.

    Now I remember 1989, I don't recall rioting in the streets, no 'by any means necessary' reaction. I remember 1994 and the political gain some 'conservatives' feel they got from that ban, even as Republicans voted for it in enough numbers to pass it

    Now IF you ever was a Cop and/or in the military you know BOTH are very different from civilians and BOTH are charged with the responsibility of running TO trouble instead of away from it. No way No how is a civilian guaranteed the 'right' to own 'what a cop/soldier carries'

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If the rifle you used to bag that dear has a detachable magazine and a scope Ms Feinstein has already said it qualifies for her gun ban. They don't give a **** what kind of a gun owner you are...all they care about is taking your gun.
    We've been here before. Nobody is coming for my guns. Everytime the paranoia kicks in, gun sales go up, and the gun industry lobby, aka, NRA, increases its revenue. fear is the marketing tool. Rinse and repeat.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    My bad, President Bush the Elder ordered the BATFE to ban semis like the AK from importation. He didn't upset the US made apple cart however.

    Google it and see, the importation of ban of 1989. Because of it the AK and Uzi to name the two most popular imports were already banned before the 1994 AWB, which as noted passed both Houses- something Bush the Elder didn't bother with in 1989.

    Now I remember 1989, I don't recall rioting in the streets, no 'by any means necessary' reaction. I remember 1994 and the political gain some 'conservatives' feel they got from that ban, even as Republicans voted for it in enough numbers to pass it

    Now IF you ever was a Cop and/or in the military you know BOTH are very different from civilians and BOTH are charged with the responsibility of running TO trouble instead of away from it. No way No how is a civilian guaranteed the 'right' to own 'what a cop/soldier carries'
    A cop has no more right to self defense than a private citizen does. Don't confuse the requirements of the job with rights.

    With regard to the import ban.....ATF basically reconsidered whether certain foreign made semi-autos qualified as "sporting purpose" and determined that 40 or so specific firearms did not so qualify thus banning their import. Along with that the law DID NOT prohibit domestic manufacture of those firearms or similar ones.
    ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Firearms Technology

    Also, 27 C.F.R. 478.39 states:



    (a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes ….
    (b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:
    (1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or (2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the provisions of [478.151(formerly 178.151)]; or (3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such firearm.
    (c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts [tabulated below] are:
    (1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings, or castings.
    (2) Barrels.
    (3) Barrel extensions.
    (4) Mounting blocks (trunnions).
    (5) Muzzle attachments.
    (6) Bolts.
    (7) Bolt carriers.
    (8) Operating rods.
    (9) Gas pistons.
    (10) Trigger housings.
    (11) Triggers.
    (12) Hammers.
    (13) Sears.
    (14) Disconnectors.
    (15) Buttstocks.
    (16) Pistol grips.
    (17) Forearms, handguards.
    (18) Magazine bodies.
    (19) Followers.
    (20) Floor plates.



    As a result of a 1989 study by the U.S. Treasury Department regarding the importability of certain firearms, an import ban was placed on military-style firearms. This ban included not only military-type firearms, but also extended to firearms with certain features that were considered to be “nonsporting.”

    Among such nonsporting features were the ability to accept a detachable magazine; folding/telescoping stocks; separate pistol grips; and the ability to accept a bayonet, flash suppressors, bipods, grenade launchers, and night sights.

    Please note that the foreign parts kits that are sold through commercial means are usually cut up machineguns, such as Russian AK-47 types, British Sten types, etc. Generally, an acceptable semiautomatic copy of a machinegun is one that has been significantly redesigned. The receiver must be incapable of accepting the original fire-control components that are designed to permit full automatic fire. The method of operation should employ a closed-bolt firing design that incorporates an inertia-type firing pin within the bolt assembly.

    Further, an acceptably redesigned semiautomatic copy of nonsporting firearm must be limited to using less than 10 of the imported parts listed in 27 CFR 478.39(c). Otherwise, it is considered to be assembled into a nonsporting configuration per the provisions of 18 U.S.C. 925(d)(3) and is thus a violation of 922(r).

    Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    We've been here before. Nobody is coming for my guns. Everytime the paranoia kicks in, gun sales go up, and the gun industry lobby, aka, NRA, increases its revenue. fear is the marketing tool. Rinse and repeat.
    No one more blind that a fool that shuts his eyes, straps on a blindfold and runs into traffic talking about well he can see.

    Summary of 2013 legislation

    Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

    Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
    120 specifically-named firearms;
    Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
    Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
    Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
    Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;
    Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and
    Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.
    Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
    Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
    Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
    Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
    Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.
    Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
    Background check of owner and any transferee;
    Type and serial number of the firearm;
    Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
    Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
    Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.


    And you blame it on the NRA. Classic.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    When elected officials openly suggest they are willing and eager to violate the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment of law abiding US citizens, who is the tyrant?
    What court has determined that a ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines is a violation of the 2nd Amendment?
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    If you wish to assemble, you must proceed to the County building between the hours of 8am-4pm Monday through Friday (closed Wednesdays for training) to file for a permit. People get hurt in "mobs," so you will have to list the intention of your assembly, the probable turnout expected (which will incur a fine if you go over, or significantly underestimate), and place a $1,000 deposit for every ten people expected to cover any possible damages to public property including but not limited to trash removal and any associated administrative fees.

    Sure, your right to assemble may be a first amendment right, but "public gatherings" often cause damage to public property, impede the flow of traffic, delay emergency personnel response times, and injuries are commonly reported. So, fill out the permit, and then feel free to exercise your constitutional right all you want! Think of how it will impede gang violence!
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    A cop has no more right to self defense than a private citizen does. Don't confuse the requirements of the job with rights.

    With regard to the import ban.....ATF basically reconsidered whether certain foreign made semi-autos qualified as "sporting purpose" and determined that 40 or so specific firearms did not so qualify thus banning their import. Along with that the law DID NOT prohibit domestic manufacture of those firearms or similar ones.
    ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Firearms Technology
    more tap dancing, a Cop's right to self defense is but a small part of his job. He CHASES the bad guy into the dark alley, he goes after 'I aint going back to prison' felons, crack/coke/heroin/name the drug major dealer homes. Don't muddy the issue with a strawman argument on what a Cop needs vs what a civilian needs.

    Again more peeling the onion. (I said all you repeat, you don't get the idea) In DIRECT response to the Stockman Cali shootings President Bush the Elder directed the BATFE as it was called back then to prohibit the ban of named rifles as not sporting or target. He did so without any consult with Congress. he was wise to not go after US made weapons, some say as part of a deal to get Ruger onboard for for further limits, ie the mag limits.

    Spin it how you want, but Bush the Elder set the first flag in Presidential Over reach and I don't recall any riots in the streets, politicians or wonks calling for repealing the decision 'by any means necessary'

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

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    Read more and video @: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun Measure (VIDEO)

    Yea stricter gun laws apparently= right for a civil war and this man is happy to fire the first shot to start killing people...
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