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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Nice dive, yet another sounded tuff until asked to speak clearly. You won't say where that means ends but let me tie this together-

    Should Citizens rise up in armed revolt if mag caps get restricted or the 40% of gun sales that don't get back round checked are restricted?
    Just like the tough talking Yeager, who did nothing when his carry permit was revoked
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Again, maybe.

    Why is this so hard for you to grasp? Violence is a LAST RESORT and in a circumstance like this a little of it is likely to have pretty big ramifications.

    If the administration oversteps then we have a whole judicial process to go through and legislative process to go through before anything else should happen but if the federal government tries to regulate private transactions that don't involve interstate commerce then they have very seriously overstepped their bounds and it is the obligation of every law abiding American to take them to task for that. If magazine capacity gets limited and those same limits aren't imposed on law enforcement, the military and federal LE then they have created a second class of citizen and THAT needs to be addressed. Nobody should stand for a privileged political class in this country.
    Oh I just noted you apparently was having a Patrick Henry moment- all buff and bluster but no personal commitment to the issue yourself. 'Someone should' 'the citizens should'. There is an I in Liberty.

    When you walk into a 'gun' shop to purchase a weapon on the rack there was no interstate commerce between you and the shop owner, yet you are subject to a back round check. Why not at a 'gun' show?

    Law Enforcement, the Military and feds are already in a different category. The testimony of a cop outweighs the testimony of the citizen accused of the violation, illegal lane change, following too close, speeding.... The Military uses a wide variety of select/full auto weapons, destructive devices, cannons.... Fed LEO isn't any different than other LEOs. There is no second class citizen, strawman argument. IF a group of people are singled out but not others outside of LE, and military such as blacks, or Californians THEN ya might have something, but as most citizens don't hold commissions they are not the same as LEO.

    But you answered my questions- if the Gubmint crosses your line 'SOMEONE' should do SOMETHING...

    When Bush the Elder limited magazine size where was the 'outrage'?

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Oh I just noted you apparently was having a Patrick Henry moment- all buff and bluster but no personal commitment to the issue yourself. 'Someone should' 'the citizens should'. There is an I in Liberty.

    When you walk into a 'gun' shop to purchase a weapon on the rack there was no interstate commerce between you and the shop owner, yet you are subject to a back round check. Why not at a 'gun' show?

    Law Enforcement, the Military and feds are already in a different category. The testimony of a cop outweighs the testimony of the citizen accused of the violation, illegal lane change, following too close, speeding.... The Military uses a wide variety of select/full auto weapons, destructive devices, cannons.... Fed LEO isn't any different than other LEOs. There is no second class citizen, strawman argument. IF a group of people are singled out but not others outside of LE, and military such as blacks, or Californians THEN ya might have something, but as most citizens don't hold commissions they are not the same as LEO.

    But you answered my questions- if the Gubmint crosses your line 'SOMEONE' should do SOMETHING...

    When Bush the Elder limited magazine size where was the 'outrage'?
    In the case of an FFL he IS covered by interstate commerce laws, I'm not. Even FFL's at gun shows have to run NICS checks, it's the private sellers who do not and should not.

    The cops are not classified differently than anyone else but they are considered experts in such matters as traffic laws and it is that expertise that gives additional weight to their testimony, not their badge.

    The 1994 AWB was a Clinton thing, not a Bush thing and there was a lot of outrage over it.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    When you walk into a 'gun' shop to purchase a weapon on the rack there was no interstate commerce between you and the shop owner, yet you are subject to a back round check. Why not at a 'gun' show?
    Gun shows are a private transaction.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Gun shows are a private transaction.
    So are terrorist arms deals and selling body parts. So what? We can still criminalize them, much less regulate them.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    In the case of an FFL he IS covered by interstate commerce laws, I'm not. Even FFL's at gun shows have to run NICS checks, it's the private sellers who do not and should not.

    The cops are not classified differently than anyone else but they are considered experts in such matters as traffic laws and it is that expertise that gives additional weight to their testimony, not their badge.

    The 1994 AWB was a Clinton thing, not a Bush thing and there was a lot of outrage over it.
    Why shouldn't 'private' sellers do back round checks on those purchasing their firearms?

    Nice attempted dodge on LEO, their expertise and badge both stem from the same place, far more extensive training and a COMMISSION. they are COMMISSIONED and if they ever have to surrender that commission THEN they are 'like us'. Their badge is a symbol of that COMMISSION.

    As far as throwing this all on Clinton, it was Bush the Senior who used an Executive Order in 1989 to halt the importation of 19 named 'assault weapons'. he justified the ban as the weapons are not suited for hunting or target practice.

    Read up on his 'Comprehensive Violent Crime Act of 1989' Under the inspired leadership of Bill Ruger,sr the president of Ruger Arms, the idea was to save 'guns' by restricting rifle mag cap to 15 and pistols to 10.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Why shouldn't 'private' sellers do back round checks on those purchasing their firearms?

    Nice attempted dodge on LEO, their expertise and badge both stem from the same place, far more extensive training and a COMMISSION. they are COMMISSIONED and if they ever have to surrender that commission THEN they are 'like us'. Their badge is a symbol of that COMMISSION.

    As far as throwing this all on Clinton, it was Bush the Senior who used an Executive Order in 1989 to halt the importation of 19 named 'assault weapons'. he justified the ban as the weapons are not suited for hunting or target practice.

    Read up on his 'Comprehensive Violent Crime Act of 1989' Under the inspired leadership of Bill Ruger,sr the president of Ruger Arms, the idea was to save 'guns' by restricting rifle mag cap to 15 and pistols to 10.
    Where are you getting your information?

    The 1989 bill is here - Comprehensive Violent Crime Control Act of 1989 (1989; 101st Congress H.R. 2709) - GovTrack.us. It died but was reintroduced in 1991 (Comprehensive Violent Crime Control Act of 1991 (1991; 102nd Congress H.R. 1400) - GovTrack.us) where it died. The text of the proposed legislation can be found here - Bill Text - 101st Congress (1989-1990) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) and in a brief read I sure don't see anything about banning magazines.

    With regard to the police, the only power they have that private citizens do not is a full blown power to detain and arrest but even then that power is limited to probable cause and subject to judicial review.

    A list of George Herbert Walker Bush's executive orders can be found here - Executive Orders Disposition Tables. If you would like to point out which one contained the ban I'll be happy to look at it but I checked out 1989 and didn't see anything that seemed to relate to what you are contending.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He's a hothead, but I'm hearing a lot of similar talk from a lot of other gun owners also... people need to realize that if they push too far on this issue there really will be violence... possibly a lot of it.


    I hope it doesn't come to that, but Pelosi's bill has some really outrageous, insane stuff in it and the notion of Constitutional infringement by one-man fiat (Executive Order) has many people already beyond enraged.
    Well, you got your gun owners and you got your gun nutters.

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    Then you got your gun nutters. (I suspect many of these Napoleon types also drive Corvettes and crotch rockets but I digress.)



    Now, one thing most everybody agrees with is that an unstable mind and deadly weapons do not mix.

    I have to wonder if the "nutter's" realize, while making the same argument regarding unstable people and guns, that THEY are the unstable people America is worried about?

    I mean, look at the most outspoken nutters on TV, heck, even here on this forum. Is anyone, (other nutters notwithstanding,) comfortable knowing people like these are allowed to have guns? Much less mini-arsenals?

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, you got your gun owners and you got your gun nutters.

    I am a gun owner. I am this kinda gun owner:
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    Then you got your gun nutters. (I suspect many of these Napoleon types also drive Corvettes and crotch rockets but I digress.)



    Now, one thing most everybody agrees with is that an unstable mind and deadly weapons do not mix.

    I have to wonder if the "nutter's" realize, while making the same argument regarding unstable people and guns, that THEY are the unstable people America is worried about?

    I mean, look at the most outspoken nutters on TV, heck, even here on this forum. Is anyone, (other nutters notwithstanding,) comfortable knowing people like these are allowed to have guns? Much less mini-arsenals?
    If the rifle you used to bag that dear has a detachable magazine and a scope Ms Feinstein has already said it qualifies for her gun ban. They don't give a **** what kind of a gun owner you are...all they care about is taking your gun.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Where are you getting your information?

    The 1989 bill is here - Comprehensive Violent Crime Control Act of 1989 (1989; 101st Congress H.R. 2709) - GovTrack.us. It died but was reintroduced in 1991 (Comprehensive Violent Crime Control Act of 1991 (1991; 102nd Congress H.R. 1400) - GovTrack.us) where it died. The text of the proposed legislation can be found here - Bill Text - 101st Congress (1989-1990) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) and in a brief read I sure don't see anything about banning magazines.

    With regard to the police, the only power they have that private citizens do not is a full blown power to detain and arrest but even then that power is limited to probable cause and subject to judicial review.

    A list of George Herbert Walker Bush's executive orders can be found here - Executive Orders Disposition Tables. If you would like to point out which one contained the ban I'll be happy to look at it but I checked out 1989 and didn't see anything that seemed to relate to what you are contending.
    EO 12680 for importation ban

    You keep using the word ban when the correct term is capacity restriction. Bush the Elder's bill didn't pass into law, as much as he and Bill Ruger tried and it became the framework for and helped paved the way for the AWB of 1994. (FYI the AWB passed with bi-partisan support, it wasn't just a Clinton EO, it was BOTH houses of Congress)

    In regards to the PO-lice this isn't about 'power', this is about a group of professional men and women who train very hard to get a COMMISSION you lack. You keep denigrating that simple fact, where many conservatives ran out of the twin towers these dedicated men and women ran INTO the building. They get special stuff as you and your ilk complain constantly but truth is they have a much bigger job than simple home or self defense.

    You can't even give a straight answer on what YOU would do if the Gubmint goes that extra inch, you damn sure won't chase down a serial killer.

    Cops are different- get over it.

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