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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I don't agree. You have two choices, either to passively resist, and go to jail to show the importance of the right to gun ownership, or you can, what, fight a civil war? That latter option is clearly crazy. Armed resistance is for fighting Nazis, fighting only the most tyrannical and oppressive governments that is actually out to do physical harm to innocents on an egregious and widespread basis. Violent resistance is not for fighting excessive regulation. It takes something like the holocaust to make violent resistance morally justifiable. Gun confiscation does not make violent resistance morally justifiable. Violent resistance is not worth considering, and although I appreciate your politeness, I do not want to give the dignity of serious discussion to such a suggestion.
    I disagree, and you are welcome to call me crazy. The fault of the violence would be on those who seek to make the 2nd ineffectual. It is morally indefensible that they would seek to use the force of government to do so. As such, they would be the initiators of armed conflict, not those who resist.

    Thus, in my book, it is them who are the crazy ones.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2243:
    "Armed resistance to oppression by political authority is not legitimate, unless all the following conditions are met: 1) there is certain, grave, and prolonged violation of fundamental rights; 2) all other means of redress have been exhausted; 3) such resistance will not provoke worse disorders; 4) there is well-founded hope of success; and 5) it is impossible reasonably to foresee any better solution."
    My only issue with any of that is #3. That is very hard to know, and I can think of quite a few battles worth fighting where going along to get along would not have been worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Gun confiscation is not "grave," and therefore violent resistance to mere gun confiscation is never morally justifiable.
    Did you feel that the founding fathers of America were justified in their revolution? Would you have allowed the British to achieve their goals of firearm confiscation?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I am sure that would be a logistical nightmare for law enforcement.
    Logistical is not the only nightmare it would be.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Did you feel that the founding fathers of America were justified in their revolution?
    No, their actions were high treason and in violation of their sworn oaths to the crown.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's kind of sneaky, isn't it? You want to live that way?
    We already do whether you realize it or not. I stopped playing nice or fair or by the rules a long long time ago. Nice guys dont finish first, they get ate up and their bones spit out.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    We already do whether you realize it or not. I stopped playing nice or fair or by the rules a long long time ago. Nice guys dont finish first, they get ate up and their bones spit out.
    I guess that all depends on what your goal is. Nice guys finish first in the only race that really matters.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    No, their actions were high treason and in violation of their sworn oaths to the crown.
    ... your forgot to say /sarcasm

    ... right?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I guess that all depends on what your goal is. Nice guys finish first in the only race that really matters.
    What race would that be?
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

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    What race would that be?
    The "race" to the kingdom of heaven, metaphorically speaking of course. It's not really a race.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Actually you are right about rights, there is no such thing as natural or god given rights. The only rights you have are the ones you take. I really could give a rats ass about OTHER peoples rights. I live by the golden rule because most of the time it is convient. The times its not well, lets just say I am not the nicest of people. That said there IS a contract in place, called the Constitution. If people expect me to abide by the terms of the contract then they should expect to abide the contract themselves. If they dont or wont, why would they expect me to? As I see it, my government for some time has NOT abided the Constitution of this union, if my government wont abide it, neither shall I. The law currently is a just a tool used by the government to suppress those they dont favor. I prefer to manipulate the people who run the government to see things my way and leave me alone. Its much easier that way. Of course there are the adle brained fools who actually believe the nonsence they spout, they can be gotten around if a little bit less conviently. I suppose it is a bit cynical. I have become that more of late. To tell the truth though the idealist in me has not quite died, but is definately on its last legs. Whether or not the government bans firearms is for me immaterial as I have more than sufficent means to defend myself and those I care for from most anybody. Of course the government tells me not to do many things. I dont listen to them very often. The only real concern I have is the fact that potential unrest disturbs my interests.
    I would have to agree mostly with this. guns stay or guns go i don't care too much. The boat is pretty damned comfortable if you stay below radar and are not a giant target. That is really the way I see laws should be enforced. When you do something stupid that screws things up for everyone else then you get hammered. Other than that I just like arguing. In a personal sense tomorrow is no different for me personally if i have a gun or not. If I have a gun i keep a lid on it and it is only there for dire need which isn't very often as far as I can see. If i don't have a gun a gun ban doesn't effect me. What does effect me is a bunch of riled up nitwits who want to start shooting places up. That is a problem. If they wanted to march peacefully about guns i would welcome them to do so, but when they start talking about engaging in a war basically because they want to brag about having a gun that is when I have to agree that they need to be wrangled for the smooth operation of society because they are too uptight to get along. I am certainly not going to war so the loud and obnoxious can continue to be loud and obnoxious because they have a gun.

    Then there is the other problem. A lot of these people are the bossy ones on the right. The ones who want to limit birth control, abortion, gay rights, and perhaps even the rights of brown people. There are a whole bunch of them that could care less about freedom and liberty, they want to own guns so they can scare the hell out of the people they don't like. I am not fighting for that either, and I really don't care if those people get arrested or even blown away. The american government may not be making great financial turns, but on liberties it seems to be coming around. I support drug rights, but i am not going out and joining up with a gang because i think i need to fight that way for them. That is really what some of these people are talking about. they want to go out in gangs and push people around for what they want. If you want to be in a gang they will treat you like one, and I am not sticking my neck out for such absurdity. However, if it is peaceful and rational arguments for the right to have guns I can go with that and not look like an idiot when I point to the safe rational gun owners and say they are not a danger.

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