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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why is federal registration intolerable?
    Every firearm produced in the US or imported to the US for sale is already registered and must be accounted for right up until the point of sale to the end user. At that point the licensed seller records the final disposition on a properly filled out and verified 4473 and files that form away.

    Any additional registration starts to cause problems. Did you miss the whole uproar about the newspaper that published the names and addresses of registrants on Rockland County? Additional registration serves no purpose other than to give the state a list should the time come that they choose to take action against gun owners. It doesn't prevent a crime form occurring and can, in fact, cause more problems when investigating a crime. What happens if, for example, I leave for work and someone breaks into my house, grabs one of my guns and shoots my neighbor. How did registration prevent that? Am I now in the position of having to prove that I didn't commit the crime? Have you never seen a government database spit out bad information?

    It's an all risk, no reward scenario and, like so many of the other proposals, will do absolutely nothing to address the issue of violence which is the whole reason for having this damned debate in the first place.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I don't agree. You have two choices, either to passively resist, and go to jail to show the importance of the right to gun ownership, or you can, what, fight a civil war? That latter option is clearly crazy. Armed resistance is for fighting Nazis, fighting only the most tyrannical and oppressive governments that is actually out to do physical harm to innocents on an egregious and widespread basis. Violent resistance is not for fighting excessive regulation. It takes something like the holocaust to make violent resistance morally justifiable. Gun confiscation does not make violent resistance morally justifiable. Violent resistance is not worth considering, and although I appreciate your politeness, I do not want to give the dignity of serious discussion to such a suggestion.
    So what would make you take up arms, whats your line in the sand?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Ahhh, so that is your opinion, and not the opinion of the people in law enforcement. You could think you have the right to kill someone, and as long as you never do it you will never know any better. However, rights are an ideal until there is some divine force that can come down and enforce it. According to the government you don't have that right. Which really boils things down to might. Do you have the might to enforce your right? No, you don't. So your opinion is worth a hill of beans if they decide it is wrong.

    people talk of rights as if they are some sacred divine protected thing. It is all an idea, and you don't have any right to it. If they stop making guns no gun is going to pop out of the sky to fullfill your right to one. At least with speech or religion you can pull it out of this air, but not a gun.

    I am not telling you this to make you angree. I am telling you this because you are the people who have to make the argument for your ability to legally own firearms. You are the ones who are going to have to make an argument vs a lot of people who don't think you have some right to any weapon you want. So you have to convince them that this is something that should be around. All this rights talk doesn't mean a damned thing when you have dead toddlers on the TV for most people. So you had better come up with a better argument because it would seem certain people are hell bent on limiting your ability to own a gun legally. They don't seem to care one bit about what you feel should be the way.
    Actually you are right about rights, there is no such thing as natural or god given rights. The only rights you have are the ones you take. I really could give a rats ass about OTHER peoples rights. I live by the golden rule because most of the time it is convient. The times its not well, lets just say I am not the nicest of people. That said there IS a contract in place, called the Constitution. If people expect me to abide by the terms of the contract then they should expect to abide the contract themselves. If they dont or wont, why would they expect me to? As I see it, my government for some time has NOT abided the Constitution of this union, if my government wont abide it, neither shall I. The law currently is a just a tool used by the government to suppress those they dont favor. I prefer to manipulate the people who run the government to see things my way and leave me alone. Its much easier that way. Of course there are the adle brained fools who actually believe the nonsence they spout, they can be gotten around if a little bit less conviently. I suppose it is a bit cynical. I have become that more of late. To tell the truth though the idealist in me has not quite died, but is definately on its last legs. Whether or not the government bans firearms is for me immaterial as I have more than sufficent means to defend myself and those I care for from most anybody. Of course the government tells me not to do many things. I dont listen to them very often. The only real concern I have is the fact that potential unrest disturbs my interests.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I don't agree. You have two choices, either to passively resist, and go to jail to show the importance of the right to gun ownership, or you can, what, fight a civil war? That latter option is clearly crazy. Armed resistance is for fighting Nazis, fighting only the most tyrannical and oppressive governments that is actually out to do physical harm to innocents on an egregious and widespread basis. Violent resistance is not for fighting excessive regulation. It takes something like the holocaust to make violent resistance morally justifiable. Gun confiscation does not make violent resistance morally justifiable. Violent resistance is not worth considering, and although I appreciate your politeness, I do not want to give the dignity of serious discussion to such a suggestion.
    Theres a third option. Become a criminal. I like option number three myself.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    So what would make you take up arms, whats your line in the sand?
    According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2243:
    "Armed resistance to oppression by political authority is not legitimate, unless all the following conditions are met: 1) there is certain, grave, and prolonged violation of fundamental rights; 2) all other means of redress have been exhausted; 3) such resistance will not provoke worse disorders; 4) there is well-founded hope of success; and 5) it is impossible reasonably to foresee any better solution."

    Gun confiscation is not "grave," and therefore violent resistance to mere gun confiscation is never morally justifiable.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Theres a third option. Become a criminal. I like option number three myself.
    That's part of passive resistance, actually. Martin Luther King was arrested and spent time in jail. Violation of unjust laws through passive resistance necessarily makes one a criminal.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I don't agree. You have two choices, either to passively resist, and go to jail to show the importance of the right to gun ownership, or you can, what, fight a civil war? That latter option is clearly crazy. Armed resistance is for fighting Nazis, fighting only the most tyrannical and oppressive governments that is actually out to do physical harm to innocents on an egregious and widespread basis. Violent resistance is not for fighting excessive regulation. It takes something like the holocaust to make violent resistance morally justifiable. Gun confiscation does not make violent resistance morally justifiable. Violent resistance is not worth considering, and although I appreciate your politeness, I do not want to give the dignity of serious discussion to such a suggestion.
    By declaring any privately purchased property "illegal" and subject to gov't confiscation is a "line in the sand" for many. Can you imagine being ordered, as a LEO, to "take" any gun/magazine that has the capacity to hold over 10 rounds? Some folks want to pretend that is actually possible, "reasonable" and would not be met with any real resistance at all.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    By declaring any privately purchased property "illegal" and subject to gov't confiscation is a "line in the sand" for many. Can you imagine being ordered, as a LEO, to "take" any gun/magazine that has the capacity to hold over 10 rounds? Some folks want to pretend that is actually possible, "reasonable" and would not be met with any real resistance at all.
    I am sure that would be a logistical nightmare for law enforcement.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's part of passive resistance, actually. Martin Luther King was arrested and spent time in jail. Violation of unjust laws through passive resistance necessarily makes one a criminal.
    Theres deliberatly going to jail, and then just ignoring the law. Ignoring the law and avoiding jail is my preferance. The police around here arent excatly upstanding so with the right incentives jail is quite avoidable.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Theres deliberatly going to jail, and then just ignoring the law. Ignoring the law and avoiding jail is my preferance. The police around here arent excatly upstanding so with the right incentives jail is quite avoidable.
    That's kind of sneaky, isn't it? You want to live that way?

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