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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    So what is your plan, Guy?

    If, on Tuesday, the recommendation comes down that Obama can act entirely on his own and require all FFL's to turn over their 4473's for the purpose of creating a national registry and assessing a $250 fee on every NICS check and Obama does that then what are you going to do? Are you just going to sit there and say, "Well, it could have been worse."

    Tell me, what would happen if those 2 things were implemented? How well would it work and how would those things make us any safer while preserving the right of the private citizen to keep and bear arms?
    If it really comes down to it, you should respond to violations of civil rights by government they way you're supposed to, with nonviolent passive-resistance. This is, at root, a civil rights issue. Follow the example of that great crusader for civil rights, Martin Luther King, Jr.

    If you're opposed to gun control laws, don't kill a cop over it. That's crazy and downright morally repugnant. If you want to show true courage, resist peacefully, and go to jail over it.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Thanks for answering only half of what I asked. Thanks again for throwing some fairly odd 'reasons'

    I think there is a damn good possibility for reduced mag cap, so you think blood will be flowing, or does ALL the restrictions have to be made law?

    Now answer the question I asked on YOUR STATEMENT- WTF do you mean by all means necessary to remove the Elected Leader of our Republic?

    Did you over reach?
    Please refer to post #70....which you already replied to.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by RLN View Post
    Really? I'll tell you what, you go tell Mr. Gibbons, who was most likely, and I am speculating here, responsible for signing that permit, to relax and not worry about that one-inch-further-thing. I'm sure he will tell you about his responsibilities as well as his rights as well.


    Oh, yeah, that Executive Order thing. If he does do anything concerning that, I'm willing to believe that it will be elements that will address the following things that the courts will uphold:

    • He should end the "gun show loophole" to force people who buy guns at a gun show or through private sales and online shopping to have a background check: 92% of Americans favor this position per Gallup, while PPP puts support at 76%.
    • Obama should seek to ban high-capacity ammunition clips that contain more than 10 bullets: CNN/ORC, Gallup, Pew, PPP, and YouGov all show at least 53% of Americans in favor of this policy.
    • Obama should seek to ban high-capacity ammunition clips that contain more than 10 bullets: CNN/ORC, Gallup, Pew, PPP, and YouGov all show at least 53% of Americans in favor of this policy.
    • He should seek ways to ensure that people with poor mental health records do not get a gun: CNN/ORC found that 92% Americans did not want Americans with mental health problems to be in possession of a gun; PPP took it one step farther and discovered that 63% of Americans want people to be required to take a health exam before buying a gun. Obama should obviously prevent felons convicted of a violent crime from owning a gun: 94% and 92% approve of that measure, per PPP and CNN/ORC respectively.
    • Obama should look to ban outright bullets that explode or are designed to break through a bullet-proof vest: Pew found that 56% favor this position.
    • He should try to make sure that guns, even if not recently purchased, would be registered with a government or law enforcement agency: CNN/ORC finds 78% agree with that policy.
    • Obama should try to make it more difficult to buy ammunition and/or guns over the internet: 69% of Americans wanted to ban these practices, according to PPP.


    I do agree with the Guardian on the assault weapon ban using the EO; if he does do it, it should be done legislatively. But Obama needs to do this while having a narrow window to complete this.

    My personal opinion, is that the GOP controlled house is going to go along with the vast majority of those elements I showed you; they are already not standing well with that "fiscal cliff" thing and did not fare well in the Senate in last November's election, so they are sitting in those seats in the House--and sitting nervously.
    i think that is a very reasonable plan that allows people to still own guns and does it's best to keep guns out of the hands of unstable people. The magazine thing could stay or go with me because a practiced person really can swap out magazines very quickly.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If it really comes down to it, you should respond to violations of civil rights by government they way you're supposed to, with nonviolent passive-resistance. This is, at root, a civil rights issue. Follow the example of that great crusader for civil rights, Martin Luther King, Jr.
    The ownership of firearms by lawful citizens isn't a "civil right".

    Civil rights are granted by the state. The right to self defense by possession and even use (as necessary) of arms is a natural right. It's something which the state can not grant but one which it may well try to take away.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The ownership of firearms by lawful citizens isn't a "civil right".

    Civil rights are granted by the state. The right to self defense by possession and even use (as necessary) of arms is a natural right. It's something which the state can not grant but one which it may well try to take away.
    Now you're just drawing an artificial distinction. All rights are civil rights, because they are rights of an individual as against the state. The state doesn't grant any civil rights, it merely recognizes them. Equal protection under the law is a civil right the same as the right to gun ownership is a civil right.

    You're just trying to justify the use of violence where it simply cannot be done. You should be ashamed of yourself. Moreover, you are being foolish. Violent resistance doesn't work. Passive resistance is how to win these sorts of battles, as MLK and Gandhi have shown in the past.

    To repeat, if you have true courage, you will not resist violently, you will resist peacefully, and go to jail if necessary to support your rights.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by RLN View Post
    Really? How many licensed gun stores you know of that will sell you a machine gun or bazooka? The sell of firearms or armaments has been regulated now for quite a long while.
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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If it really comes down to it, you should respond to violations of civil rights by government they way you're supposed to, with nonviolent passive-resistance. This is, at root, a civil rights issue. Follow the example of that great crusader for civil rights, Martin Luther King, Jr.

    If you're opposed to gun control laws, don't kill a cop over it. That's crazy and downright morally repugnant. If you want to show true courage, resist peacefully, and go to jail over it.
    You feel asleep in civics didn't you? These are your civil rights:
    Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical and mental integrity, life and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as physical or mental disability, gender, religion, race, national origin, age, status as a member of the uniformed services, sexual orientation, or gender identity;[1][2][3] and individual rights such as privacy, the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, and movement.
    They include some of the individual rights, but not all of them, for example firearms. Our individual rights are natural, the Bill of Rights doesn't grant them but limit the government on treading on them.

    That being said, you're right about using the political process before or instead of violence. However I've heard interviews from a great many LEO and Sheriff that state they will refuse to engage in confiscations if Federally mandated. The police aren't foolish either, they don't want to be jack-booted thugs either.
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    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    You feel asleep in civics didn't you? These are your civil rights:


    They include some of the individual rights, but not all of them, for example firearms.
    Your emotionalism and insults are unwelcome. You retaliation with insult is symptomatic of the whole problem. Your initial response to attack rather than use reason.

    And you're also wrong. We're talking about civil rights. You are the one who needs a civics lesson. But I have neither time nor inclination to give it to you.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Good thing you are not all overemotional about the issue.

    The thing that is scarey about all these people threatening violence is they tend to be the same ones who see fascists and commies everywhere.
    Here is one on the left (me) who agrees that it is too late too defend the 2nd once it has already been taken away. I don't see commies or fascists anywhere. The sole reason I would defend the 2nd through violence is because it is a necessary component of the long term preservation of liberty. This is true whether or not there are currently any fascists or commies.

    The very act of infringing the 2nd is a tyrannical act, all by itself.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by RLN View Post
    Really? How many licensed gun stores you know of that will sell you a machine gun or bazooka? The sell of firearms or armaments has been regulated now for quite a long while.
    There is a Class III gun store 2 blocks from me. I happen to know of each one in my state.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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