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Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.....

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Tim, as heartwarming as your ambition and successes are, its not enough for everyone. I graduated high school at 16 with a 4.0 and was emancipated from my foster home. I was assigned a job at Krogers bagging groceries for a little over $7/hour and given and apartment for $300/ month that was paid for the first 3 months. Having to abide by the 16 year old work hours wasn't feesable for very long and my only recourse was to move in with my boyfriend. It was good in that I was able to pursue vollege courses but it was short lived when I got a kidney infection and via antibiotics, voided my birth control. I had my son at 18 and began to work 70+ hours a week at a gas station. When that got shut down I lost my job and my husband began working at Chuck E Cheese and dropped out of high school. We haven't recovered from that. Weve been in and out of jobs, especially me because of my ADHD and I'm not very personable. We aren't lazy or unskilled I got a 5.0 in my Medical Assisting course and I speak 3 languages fluently. I am working on my fourth and fifth as we speak. I'm on a smart phone right now but at a computer I can type 90-95 wpm. I can learn and memorize and have a gift for languages, but I cannot socialize. Bosses, friends, coworkers, patrons... I'm weird and without insurance and my medication I'm very distractable. I'm also vlumsy and slow at physical labor making retail a pretty bad fit. But theyre the only places readily hiring. I would love to find gainful employment I can do but even stocking shelves or working a cash register can be screwed up by me. I need something with paperwork... like my job in data entry. Plus we dont have family to watch the kids on occassion or lend us $20 for gas to get to work etc... Its just the 2 of us. Some people hace the aggressive follow through and drive to propel them into better positions but try being the girl writting essays on Anne Rice novels in second grade and memorizing the Periodic Table at 10 to go out and conquer the world of the service sector and its not as productive. Even before my first son was born I couldn't afford my college credits, books, Food, and rent. So how do we move up from where we are stagnant? I have done everything I can to boost my appeal to potential employers, but it takes a month to three months before the socially awkward, clumsy, little bookworm that can't multitask without getting sidetracked and overwhelmed comes crawling from the woodwork. And my husband being the high school dropout can't get a job to pay him over $9/hour. Going back to school is impossible because of daycare costs and student loan default, our daughter with a congenital heart defect, and my chronic kidney infections. Just b,cause one person can move up with hard work doesnt make that a universal truth for all. The variables in each case are different.
 
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MMC said:
Welfare recipients took out cash at bars, liquor stores, X-rated video shops, hookah parlors and even strip clubs — where they presumably spent their taxpayer money on lap dances rather than diapers, a Post investigation found.

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A database of 200 million Electronic Benefit Transfer records from January 2011 to July 2012, obtained by The Post through a Freedom of Information request, showed welfare recipients using their EBT cards to make dozens of cash withdrawals at ATMs inside Hank’s Saloon in Brooklyn; the Blue Door Video porn shop in the East Village; The Anchor, a sleek SoHo lounge; the Patriot Saloon in TriBeCa; and Drinks Galore, a liquor distributor in The Bronx.

The state Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance (OTDA), which oversees the “cash assistance program,” even lists some of these welfare-ready ATMs on its Web site.

Welfare recipients receive food stamps and cash assistance under the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Both benefits are accessed through an EBT card, but only cash assistance — meant for housing, utilities and household necessities — can be accessed at ATMs.

A single-person household could receive a maximum $200 in monthly food stamps plus $158 in cash assistance. A family of four could get as much as $668 in food stamps and $433 in cash.

The food-stamp program prohibits the purchase of booze, tobacco and lottery tickets with an EBT card. But with the cash-assistance program, users can blow money on strippers or a six-pack and to tap welfare dollars from liquor stores, casinos and adult-oriented establishments.

The Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act, signed by President Obama last February, requires states to prohibit sinful welfare spending by 2014. If they don’t, they’ll forfeit federal cash.

A spokesman with the US Department of Health and Human Services said states make their own rules on EBT cards.

Some states already limit where EBT cards can withdraw money.....snip~

EXCLUSIVE: Welfare recipients using EBT cards to get cash at strip clubs, X-rated video stores and bars - NYPOST.com

Guess this goes with them Using Food Stamps and those that sell them for cash at twice the Amount in Food Stamps. Some of them stand Right outside Stores that are designed for the EBT and food stamps. Thoughts?
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That article is really misleading. First off, EBT is the system of benefit distribution, not just welfare. It seems to try to focus on welfare, but the reality is that most welfare is not given out in cash benefits. SNAP, or modern food stamps is not a cash system at all, and benefits are restricted to edible items, and can be restricted further. You don't get cash from that. You cannot even buy a pan to cook your food in because it is not food.

However, unemployment and disability benefits which are paid for a person to live on are often given in cash through the EBT system. Yes, if you are getting unemployment you can spend it on porn if you so chose to. You were taxed to cover it, so you can spend it.

The New York post is known for being a deceptive source of lies and propaganda. If you ever want to play a fun game you pick up a copy of the post and another legitimate newspaper and try to match up the stories. It is hard sometimes. The post is one very tiny step away from reporting that elvis is having bigfoot's baby.
 
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Chelsea said:
Tim, as heartwarming as your ambition and successes are, its not enough for everyone. I graduated high school at 16 with a 4.0 and was emancipated from my foster home. I was assigned a job at Krogers bagging groceries for a little over $7/hour and given and apartment for $300/ month that was paid for the first 3 months. Having to abide by the 16 year old work hours wasn't feesable for very long and my only recourse was to move in with my boyfriend. It was good in that I was able to pursue vollege courses but it was short lived when I got a kidney infection and via antibiotics, voided my birth control. I had my son at 18 and began to work 70+ hours a week at a gas station. When that got shut down I lost my job and my husband began working at Chuck E Cheese and dropped out of high school. We haven't recovered from that. Weve been in and out of jobs, especially me because of my ADHD and I'm not very personable. We aren't lazy or unskilled I got a 5.0 in my Medical Assisting course and I speak 3 languages fluently. I am working on my fourth and fifth as we speak. I'm on a smart phone right now but at a computer I can type 90-95 wpm. I can learn and memorize and have a gift for languages, but I cannot socialize. Bosses, friends, coworkers, patrons... I'm weird and without insurance and my medication I'm very distractable. I'm also vlumsy and slow at physical labor making retail a pretty bad fit. But theyre the only places readily hiring. I would love to find gainful employment I can do but even stocking shelves or working a cash register can be screwed up by me. I need something with paperwork... like my job in data entry. Plus we dont have family to watch the kids on occassion or lend us $20 for gas to get to work etc... Its just the 2 of us. Some people hace the aggressive follow through and drive to propel them into better positions but try being the girl writting essays on Anne Rice novels in second grade and memorizing the Periodic Table at 10 to go out and conquer the world of the service sector and its not as productive. Even before my first son was born I couldn't afford my college credits, books, Food, and rent. So how do we move up from where we are stagnant? I have done everything I can to boost my appeal to potential employers, but it takes a month to three months before the socially awkward, clumsy, little bookworm that can't multitask without getting sidetracked and overwhelmed comes crawling from the woodwork. And my husband being the high school dropout can't get a job to pay him over $9/hour. Going back to school is impossible because of daycare costs and student loan default, our daughter with a congenital heart defect, and my chronic kidney infections. Just b,cause one person can move up with hard work doesnt make that a universal truth for all. The variables in each case are different.
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Please read this. First off, as for data entry you make a lot of spelling mistakes. I would not normally be a dick about that, but when you are saying you do good at that and then you type terribly it tends to make people think you are full of crap. Sorry about being blunt. Second, the not being able to socialize thing is a huge problem. I don't know how you are going to work on it, but even if you are in a position where you don't need to talk to customers you still need to deal with coworkers. It probably also effects your interviewing skills.

If you cannot fix it you have only one other solution, and this is a hard path. you need to start your own business. You need to find something you can make or do and sell that. It is not as hard as it seems, and if you are able to get through the tedium of data entry you should be able to focus on something and make things. You have a world of distribution opportunities never seen before. If you are really serious and need some help PM me. I have helped a number of people set up their own businesses, and get through problems like this. however, it is all on you to make it work. It is not going to make you a million dollars, but it will make you money to survive.
 
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tererun said:
The New York post is known for being a deceptive source of lies and propaganda. If you ever want to play a fun game you pick up a copy of the post and another legitimate newspaper and try to match up the stories. It is hard sometimes. The post is one very tiny step away from reporting that elvis is having bigfoot's baby.
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Ya think? It is owned by Newscorp and hence Rupert Murdoch.. hence it is a mouth piece of the GOP.

And it is ironic the biggest welfare recipients dont get any media time... the big corporations like Newscorp, Exxon and so on, who all receive hundreds of billions in welfare each year.
 
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Dozens of withdraws... out of... millions? Perfectly acceptable margin of fraud in a world where guilty Enron executives die on vacation and JP Morgan's links to ponzi schemes mean nothing.
 
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tererun said:
Please read this. First off, as for data entry you make a lot of spelling mistakes. I would not normally be a dick about that, but when you are saying you do good at that and then you type terribly it tends to make people think you are full of crap. Sorry about being blunt. Second, the not being able to socialize thing is a huge problem. I don't know how you are going to work on it, but even if you are in a position where you don't need to talk to customers you still need to deal with coworkers. It probably also effects your interviewing skills.

If you cannot fix it you have only one other solution, and this is a hard path. you need to start your own business. You need to find something you can make or do and sell that. It is not as hard as it seems, and if you are able to get through the tedium of data entry you should be able to focus on something and make things. You have a world of distribution opportunities never seen before. If you are really serious and need some help PM me. I have helped a number of people set up their own businesses, and get through problems like this. however, it is all on you to make it work. It is not going to make you a million dollars, but it will make you money to survive.
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My favorite form of aid is the micro-lending enterprises. Chelsea, I hope you contact him. However, if you can work on your personableness, then you should also be aware that polyglots in America are in relatively short supply. You might be surprised what you don't know is available to you.
 
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MoSurveyor said:
That's pure speculation unless you've got a list of which politicians own stock in what companies and which companies contribute to their campaign funds and party super-pacs.
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I was bound to overlook things that have nothing to do with my point.
 
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MMC said:
Nice attempt at deflection since you don't think people around Chicago and Gary are getting scammed or even having their foodstamps and LINK Cards Outrright stolen from them. Just like you didn't notice about the Porno place and the Lounges with ATMs. Just like you didn't think people have been doing the food stamps for half-price......FOR YEARS!

(You twist and dodge like a champ. I quoted your OP where you claim they sell food cards for TWICE face value. I said down in Oklahoma the going rate is fiddy cent on the dollah which you now admit is much closer to the truth than your first assertion.)

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I didn't really think it would have mattered so much their race. But since they didn't bust any Hispanic or white ministers nor any others of any other ethnicity. I would think those that say they are ministers and have ten people that follow them and not paying taxes plus being on Welfare. Would be far more important.

(You race bait because of all the ways to describe the ministers you chose their race. It would have to be a very limited 'sting' to only net one race/ethnic group doing wrong. Do you have a link?)

I wouldn't care what color they were.....as long as they aren't gaming the system and taking advantage of someone else. Or did that point escape your assumptions too?

So save you racebaiting BS for where it belongs.

What did you have trouble understanding this? Still couldn't get past that point due to your judgments you like to throw out on people? "What'.....did your paint brush decide that it had some more hair to try and fling with?

I am not angry over the issue nor have I ever really been except for those who keep getting taken advantage of.....kinda leaves your assuming theory, where it belongs. In your very own head.
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You are a very bigoted person, you do get all up in arms and use your biase to guide your words. retreat from them now- like you did the double face value food cards- but you leave the trail out there and it is easy to follow.
 
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Welfare recipients, clearly, should join monasteries, as do the fat thieves who threw them out of work. Or don't they?
 
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Cephus said:
I don't. I see it as requiring them to use the resources that society gives them in a manner society deems acceptable. If they want freedom to live as they like, they're free to make their own money.



Both of which take credit cards, I'm sure. Neither of which require using ATMs in strip clubs.
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While this is good in theory. It doesn't work in practice. At best, people find ways around the rules. At worst, these rules promote paternalism and dependence
 
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PeteEU said:
Ya think? It is owned by Newscorp and hence Rupert Murdoch.. hence it is a mouth piece of the GOP.

And it is ironic the biggest welfare recipients dont get any media time... the big corporations like Newscorp, Exxon and so on, who all receive hundreds of billions in welfare each year.
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You forgot to mention StarKist Tuna, which is the basis for the wealth enjoyed by Nancy Pelosi. They even got millions from the "fiscal cliff" tax increase.
 
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Henrin said:
I was bound to overlook things that have nothing to do with my point.
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If your goal is to convince us that there's no reason for partisan favor of the military then it makes all the difference in the world. If my political funds come from military contractors, or my portfolio is full of their stock, then of course I wouldn't vote against reducing or curtailing their government funds.
 
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tererun said:
Please read this. First off, as for data entry you make a lot of spelling mistakes. I would not normally be a dick about that, but when you are saying you do good at that and then you type terribly it tends to make people think you are full of crap. Sorry about being blunt. Second, the not being able to socialize thing is a huge problem. I don't know how you are going to work on it, but even if you are in a position where you don't need to talk to customers you still need to deal with coworkers. It probably also effects your interviewing skills.

If you cannot fix it you have only one other solution, and this is a hard path. you need to start your own business. You need to find something you can make or do and sell that. It is not as hard as it seems, and if you are able to get through the tedium of data entry you should be able to focus on something and make things. You have a world of distribution opportunities never seen before. If you are really serious and need some help PM me. I have helped a number of people set up their own businesses, and get through problems like this. however, it is all on you to make it work. It is not going to make you a million dollars, but it will make you money to survive.
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Also, knowing three languages, and working on five is a major advantage many people in your predicament do not have. As far as not being social, well there are therapies that can help with that in addition to medication. I would suggest either you look for work in translation, whether teaching English as a second language, or teaching in general, or as Terun suggests, start a business. Your husband can then go back to school, get his GED, and begin his life, doing what HE wants. What skills does he posses? Can he start a business? You mentioned school loan default, so I assume you have zero credit? If that's the case, then you've got no chance at acquiring a loan from a bank, but there are other ways to get capital if your ideas are business sound. If your ideas are good, people will lend you money to get going, no matter your financial history. Seems to me that you write a lot, have you thought about becomming an author of childrens books? How about writing manuels. point is that, we all have our little disadvantages, ailments, and obstructions, but what I have found to be universally true is that, most of the time, our obstacles are mostly self defeating, and self promoting. That's a nice way of saying that we are feeling sorry for ourselves and this is perpetuating our disadvantaged existence.


The system is set up to help families like yours, and I don't see it changing anytime soon, but if you're waiting around for something to happen, I have news for you. It rarely happens, and ONLY you and your husband can do anything about it. Good luck!


Tim-
 
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The hilarious issue here is the welfare scum in America and we all know who they are, scream to the high heavens when their "right" to welfare money is challenged and or cut off. Lottery tickets, striipers, cigarettes and cheap liquor is what they have lived on for the past one hundred years and it seems to be unstoppable.
 
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This is nothing new, it’s just being brought out in the open, when I lived in FL. I used to be a good dog track fan, and quickly learned that the best times to go to the track was the first week or so of the month, when welfare checks were received. It was those days that held the biggest betting pools, that fact, was even confirmed by the tellers at the tracks. I think it would be a safe bet to assume the same thing would hold true at horse tracks or even in cities that have casinos
 
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DrunkenAsparagus said:
While this is good in theory. It doesn't work in practice. At best, people find ways around the rules. At worst, these rules promote paternalism and dependence
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These people are already dependent, clearly they need paternalism or they wouldn't be in the situation they're in, so I have no problem with that. If the goal is to force these people to be independent and making good decisions, and clearly they have no clue how to do either, then someone has to teach them what their parent(s) failed to do in their upbringing.
 
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Terun, if you read closely I specifically stated that I am on a smart phone not a computer and my texting wpm and accuracy are severly lacking at the moment.

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We do have horrible credit steming from everything from apartments we've abandoned to a reposessed car I don't have any business ideas that aren't already monopolized or at the very least graciously covered by multiple vusinesses already. I'm also very noncompetetive. As for authorship, I have been working on a book, but I've torn it up at least a dozen times already. I don't think childrens books would be an acceptable genre for my dark mind to get into... Unless, of course, its halloween.

All-in-all if I could somehow visualize a viable business scenario and come up with the resources to kickstart it, get a bit of marketing in etc... Therr isn't a very good chance of success in this economy. I've worked for Medical practices and small business gas stations that have declared bankruptcy. I ts not an excuse so much as a reasonable fear. I'm hesitant to move forward because my kids aren't starving, or homeless, or without adequate medical care. It's also that they are young. 5, 3, and 1 year old. That makes it near impossible for voth of us to work and I couldn't see running a business when working two seperate fulltime jobs is trying.
 
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If I suddenly have an amazing business idea, shoot my credit up from 500, oor get childcare that wouldn't kill $900 of income per month it might be a possibility. And my husband speaks Spanish, has a hard time grasping written English, and has spent his entire life in front of the latest gaming console.
 
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Chelsea said:
If I suddenly have an amazing business idea, shoot my credit up from 500, oor get childcare that wouldn't kill $900 of income per month it might be a possibility. And my husband speaks Spanish, has a hard time grasping written English, and has spent his entire life in front of the latest gaming console.
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Well that might be part of your problem. :)

Look, I'm no councilor, but it seems to me that most if not all of your problems are self realized.


Tim-
 
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Chelsea said:
If I suddenly have an amazing business idea, shoot my credit up from 500, oor get childcare that wouldn't kill $900 of income per month it might be a possibility. And my husband speaks Spanish, has a hard time grasping written English, and has spent his entire life in front of the latest gaming console.
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You should tell your husband to try to be game tester since he enjoys playing games so much. At least that way he will get paid for it and better yet be part of the process. Though he will need to learn english for that.
 
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Cephus said:
These people are already dependent, clearly they need paternalism or they wouldn't be in the situation they're in, so I have no problem with that. If the goal is to force these people to be independent and making good decisions, and clearly they have no clue how to do either, then someone has to teach them what their parent(s) failed to do in their upbringing.
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Was there any indication whether these people voted Democrat or Republican in the last election?

That might prove to be an interesting finding.

(Though I think we already have a good idea.)
 
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I never said he was good at video games and he speaks English he's just not very good with the written language. Being a game tester is actually pretty difficult to get into. What prepubescence doesn't dream of getting paid for playing games all day? And I know that my husband is probably 50% of what has held me back but I value strong family ties for my kids sake. Not to mention that aside from him I am utterly alone i the world. No friends or family to speak of.
 
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The Barbarian said:
This is nothing new, it’s just being brought out in the open, when I lived in FL. I used to be a good dog track fan, and quickly learned that the best times to go to the track was the first week or so of the month, when welfare checks were received. It was those days that held the biggest betting pools, that fact, was even confirmed by the tellers at the tracks. I think it would be a safe bet to assume the same thing would hold true at horse tracks or even in cities that have casinos
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Social Security checks are also cut the first of the month - and many government jobs pay monthly as well. Dividend checks and bond interest are often monthly occurrences, too. You can't pin all the extra economic activity at the first of the month on welfare recipients. :roll:
 
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None of those with their panties in a wad seem concerned as to how the monitors came by the information... Do they really believe that it's only the poor whose transactions are overseen?
 
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Cephus said:
These people are already dependent, clearly they need paternalism or they wouldn't be in the situation they're in, so I have no problem with that. If the goal is to force these people to be independent and making good decisions, and clearly they have no clue how to do either, then someone has to teach them what their parent(s) failed to do in their upbringing.
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There are programs for that:

The Work Site
 
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