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Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.....

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There is alot left open to the states but there are federal guidelines that they all must follow. Meeting MOEs and reporting, transfering 50% of their cases from unemployed to work, and meeting a work activity requirement for example
 
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Honestly, what child do you know that eats nothing but healthy foods? And I would propose that teh reasoning behind not restricting every food choice to something nutritious is because it would cost nearly twice as much. U can get 2 boxes of donuts for the same price as a bag of apples. I can buy 2 pizzas for $7 vs paying $7 for 2 lbs of lean hamburger. Soda costs alot less than juice when it comes to kids. We feed our kids fruits and veggies and buy them milk and all the things that are good for them but by the end of the month its down to vuying affordable products. Only junk food costs $1 and can be stretched enough for 5 people.
 
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This is totally ridiculous. I've never understood why it is that Food Stamps exist in the first place. These people should get a pre-sorted selection of FOOD every month based on the number of adults and children in the family. I'll even be nice enough to allow for the selections to be oriented towards specific ethnic groups (Latino, Asian, etc...) within the limits that the food is healthy and nutritious, not the crap I see people buying with their EBT cards all the time.

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When I was a kid, I remember some type of program where people would go to a central local location, and pick up what they called "commodities". I would much rather support something along these lines, than what we see today. As far as I am concerned, "welfare" money needs to be spent on actual needs, and not random wants. If you want to buy your "wants", then get a job and pay for it yourself.
 
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Wow you people really have no idea what you're talking about do you? To be on TANF you have to look for work 35 hours a week and if a job isn't obtained within a month you're assigned to a community service assignment 35+ hours a week to make well below minimum wage. There is a hotline to report welfare fraud and there is always the option of going to your loxal office and reporting it You cannot just sit on your ass and receive TANF like the old AFDC. BNot to mention that there is at least one interviee with your caseworker every week. The problem is that TANF is designed to push people into low wage jobs. You cannot go to college while on TANF and if you get a part time job working 30 hours a week you are dtstill required to job search the other 5 hours. TANF disreguards your income in incriments once a job is found. %100 for the first 3 months, 80% for the next 3 months and so on until its down to %40. So if someone starts making $3000 a month while on TANF they will still receive the cash for another year.

Link please? I'll admit that some states do things a little differently, but the reality is that NONE of what you stated is true in NY State! If I'm wrong, please show me with PROOF that what you say is true. What you are stating makes exactly zero sense both logically and practically.


Tim-
 
Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

When these people are using tax money, the taxpayers have every right to determine what they're allowed to use it on. If the welfare recipients don't like it, they can get jobs.

Actually 'the taxpayer' doesn't mean one small group who doesn't much care for the whole concept. I don't get to say what the military buys with taxpayer money, I am however a taxpayer.

I stop on the south side of Lawton, Ok several times a month to use the ATM in Discount Foods. I have yet to buy a thing in that store. The ATM is close to the Hot Wok where I do spend cash for quick chinee take-out. The OP does a smear by proxy. No real proof how much money is used in the sin locations. More a case of the ATM in the location was used. I'm not about to say NO fraud occurs, just smear hit pieces like this are pot stirrers for those who already are in the Hallelujah Chorus.

Sounds like a bit of right wing whine over a problem all ready with a fix in the pipeline. Is the far right whiners THAT hard up for something to attack social spending during the lead-up to the next round of fighting over where the cuts come from and how deep the cuts go?

MMC- most of your OP was just poo flinging, the last bit about food stamps is not how it is here in SW OK. 'Food Stamps' are far more likely to go for fiddy cent on the dollah than double face value. Double face value just doesn't make sense-

not that a partisan hack piece needs to... :peace
 
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Actually 'the taxpayer' doesn't mean one small group who doesn't much care for the whole concept. I don't get to say what the military buys with taxpayer money, I am however a taxpayer.

I'm beyond tired of liberals comparing welfare to the military. Welfare is for individual assistance and regardless if it is offered to everyone or a few that is always the case. The military is different. The military exists to protect the country itself from the threats out of outside aggression. There is no amount of greater gain for one party over another nor is there any reason to expect that it exists for the benefit of one while not for the another.
 
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They had a sting up by us not to long ago. Caught some of these Black Ministers going into stores and buying hundreds of dollars in meats alone. Driving brand new Cars, wearing Gold Watches and jewelry. Wives all decked out and whatnot. All on the Welfare Program. Plus they have a so called Church with like 10 followers. So they don't pay taxes. But sure do live high on the Hog and others misery.

Why is the fact that they were black relevant?
 
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Or they just turn to crime or fraud, which a lot of them are already engaged in already. It's not that difficult to enforce, you just require them to use their EBT cards for everything, they cannot ever get a penny in cash off the cards, and spending habits are tracked. Computers are good at that kind of thing, hardly any human intervention is required. If you start seeing variances, you address them. Stores which are "charging" the cards and just giving cash back ought to be pretty easy to detect and the owners should be charged with credit card fraud.

It's not hard to do if you've got the balls to do it.

So if they can't get additional income, and the EBT cards control their purchases, how are people supposed to better themselves and get out of poverty. Strict control of welfare recipients doesn't foster greater independence or responsibility. It just creates another peon for the state.
 
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Why is the fact that they were black relevant?

It wasn't mentione dby anyone until YOU just made it relevant? See the distinction?


Tim-
 
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Actually 'the taxpayer' doesn't mean one small group who doesn't much care for the whole concept. I don't get to say what the military buys with taxpayer money, I am however a taxpayer.

I stop on the south side of Lawton, Ok several times a month to use the ATM in Discount Foods. I have yet to buy a thing in that store. The ATM is close to the Hot Wok where I do spend cash for quick chinee take-out. The OP does a smear by proxy. No real proof how much money is used in the sin locations. More a case of the ATM in the location was used. I'm not about to say NO fraud occurs, just smear hit pieces like this are pot stirrers for those who already are in the Hallelujah Chorus.

Sounds like a bit of right wing whine over a problem all ready with a fix in the pipeline. Is the far right whiners THAT hard up for something to attack social spending during the lead-up to the next round of fighting over where the cuts come from and how deep the cuts go?

MMC- most of your OP was just poo flinging, the last bit about food stamps is not how it is here in SW OK. 'Food Stamps' are far more likely to go for fiddy cent on the dollah than double face value. Double face value just doesn't make sense-

not that a partisan hack piece needs to... :peace

It's nice that you have it within your monthly welfare budget to plan for a few visits a month to the Hot Wok? :)


Tim-
 
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I'm beyond tired of liberals comparing welfare to the military. Welfare is for individual assistance and regardless if it is offered to everyone or a few that is always the case. The military is different. The military exists to protect the country itself from the threats out of outside aggression. There is no amount of greater gain for one party over another nor is there any reason to expect that it exists for the benefit of one while not for another.

I am beyond tired of a few radical right whiners never seeing the massive outflow of 'taxpayer' money to cheats and frauds who are supposedly 'defending the nation'.

I am a vet of Service to the Country I KNOW what the military is SUPPOSE to be doing. Trying to dress up one of the poorest audited parts of Gubmint in some sacred robes is beyond tacky. Using the noble ideal of defense for our nation to cover massive fraud should have the noble right outraged beyond words. Oh wait, those cheats and frauds vote the same way you do... silly me. :roll:

One thing I'd like the radical right fraud hounds to latch onto are all the defense contractors who owe taxes, have been repeatedly fined but still get huge 'defense' contracts.
 
Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

If they are getting enough welfare money to spend it like this, then they are getting way too much.

Exactly. It's not surprising.

Welfare rations should only cover the necessities.
 
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I always liked this idea because I thought that it could also help curb the immigration problem we have in America. There are people crossing the border from Mexico to come here and do jobs that Americans simply refuse to do - pick fruit/vegetables, for example. These types of jobs could be the ones assigned to people on assistance, thereby pushing jobs away from illegals/immigrants and giving them back to Americans.

Yeah, there is probably a lot of fruit picking jobs unfilled in New York City, Chicago, Boston and on and on. It's been my experience that fruits and vegetables are grown on farms rather than in cities. I've been to most big cities in the US and damned if I can recall seeing a lot of vegetable farms. Of course we could round up all these welfare recipients and ship them to Dixie and have them pick cotton. :roll: Maybe we could get you to supervise them, Massa Gipper. Ain't nothin' quite like supervising anyone doing anything that they don't want to do.
 
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Link please? I'll admit that some states do things a little differently, but the reality is that NONE of what you stated is true in NY State! If I'm wrong, please show me with PROOF that what you say is true. What you are stating makes exactly zero sense both logically and practically.


Tim-

Thats how it is in NV and I know Ohio is similar. Google it.
 
Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

Thats how it is in NV and I know Ohio is similar. Google it.

Nope, i'm not going to google it, you made the claim, so show me. I already know the answer but I wanted to see if you were willing to display some integrity and admit you are WRONG almost entirely on what you claimed.


Tim-
 
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Exactly. It's not surprising.

Welfare rations should only cover the necessities.

They don't even come close to covering necessities. Try paying rent and bills on $300-$600 per month.
 
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I am beyond tired of a few radical right whiners never seeing the massive outflow of 'taxpayer' money to cheats and frauds who are supposedly 'defending the nation'.

I am a vet of Service to the Country I KNOW what the military is SUPPOSE to be doing. Trying to dress up one of the poorest audited parts of Gubmint in some sacred robes is beyond tacky. Using the noble ideal of defense for our nation to cover massive fraud should have the noble right outraged beyond words. Oh wait, those cheats and frauds vote the same way you do... silly me. :roll:

One thing I'd like the radical right fraud hounds to latch onto are all the defense contractors who owe taxes, have been repeatedly fined but still get huge 'defense' contracts.

Your post reeks of so much fail it is beyond me to point it out to you, but let me ask you one simple question. In spite of being fined for unruly evil conservative dealings being a defense contractor, whom do you suppose we should buy that one special unique piece of military hardware from if the evil defense contractor is the only one that makes it? :)

Tim-
 
Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

I am beyond tired of a few radical right whiners never seeing the massive outflow of 'taxpayer' money to cheats and frauds who are supposedly 'defending the nation'.

I am a vet of Service to the Country I KNOW what the military is SUPPOSE to be doing. Trying to dress up one of the poorest audited parts of Gubmint in some sacred robes is beyond tacky. Using the noble ideal of defense for our nation to cover massive fraud should have the noble right outraged beyond words. Oh wait, those cheats and frauds vote the same way you do... silly me. :roll:

One thing I'd like the radical right fraud hounds to latch onto are all the defense contractors who owe taxes, have been repeatedly fined but still get huge 'defense' contracts.

Those are some pretty serious charges you have there. What do you have to support your case?
 
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They don't even come close to covering necessities. Try paying rent and bills on $300-$600 per month.

Try feeding a family of 6 and providing a roof over their heads living in the Sudan for what amounts to $30 a year..

Don't belly ach to me about poverty. There's no such thing as poverty in the US only poor, unable, and lazy!! The unable is the ones we should care about, the lazy can eat **** for all I care!


Tim-
 
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So vomparing us with a third wold nation does what exactly? Its not laziness in most cases. Do you have kids? Have you ever worked 60 hours a week with barely enough income at the end of it to make rent and nothing left over for food? Have you ever seen your kids go hungry or take a diaper bag to walmart soley to steal bread and meat because there is no food in your house? There is poverty in America. We are a first world nation. No child should go hungry.
 
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Under the SNAP program, only food can be bought with food stamps. DBT cards cannot be used in ATM machines. ATM machines don't take EBT cards. In short, there is no such thing as a welfare-ready ATM machine, which means that this article is nothing but propaganda, designed to stir up hatred.

But is there abuse of welfare? I am sure there is, and there is a good fix for that too. It's called jail. Those who abuse welfare should pay the penalty. Those who assist in someone abusing welfare should also go to jail.
 
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Yeah, there is probably a lot of fruit picking jobs unfilled in New York City, Chicago, Boston and on and on. It's been my experience that fruits and vegetables are grown on farms rather than in cities. I've been to most big cities in the US and damned if I can recall seeing a lot of vegetable farms. Of course we could round up all these welfare recipients and ship them to Dixie and have them pick cotton. :roll: Maybe we could get you to supervise them, Massa Gipper. Ain't nothin' quite like supervising anyone doing anything that they don't want to do.

Great post!

It's amazing to me how some are so reactionary in their thinking and just don't see the big picture. Just because I tend to lean left does not mean I don't get annoyed with people who take advantage of a system that is there to help those in need. I know a few in real life, and they piss the **** out of me.

I get that, I truly do.

But I also get that not any program is perfect and there is always going to be waste, greed and corruption. That's just the way anything goes, IMO. However, the benefits from these programs-- such as welfare--completely outweigh all that is wrong. Do you really want to see the gap between the rich and the poor grow even more? Do you really have any idea what problems that can occur if this were to happen? Think about it, folks. Also, those with the bright idea of forcing people to work, it just does not work ('scuse the play on words). Trust me, it was tried here in my province in the early 90s and was a complete and dismal failure. It basically achieved nothing and costed the tax payer even more than before the reform.
 
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It wasn't mentione dby anyone until YOU just made it relevant? See the distinction?


Tim-

Nice deflection for the question. Why did MMC decide the ministers needed to be defined by race? I'd opine a lot of lighter shade of pale ministers sure dress with a lot of flash for being 'simple men of Gawd'.

From MMC it is nothing new, I too am surprised Risky made mention of it. Also surprised MMC didn't use a better code, like urban or something.
 
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Yeah, there is probably a lot of fruit picking jobs unfilled in New York City, Chicago, Boston and on and on. It's been my experience that fruits and vegetables are grown on farms rather than in cities. I've been to most big cities in the US and damned if I can recall seeing a lot of vegetable farms. Of course we could round up all these welfare recipients and ship them to Dixie and have them pick cotton. :roll: Maybe we could get you to supervise them, Massa Gipper. Ain't nothin' quite like supervising anyone doing anything that they don't want to do.

I listed ONE example. At no point did I say "all welfare recipients should pick fruit". I'm sure there are other menial chores often left to the wayside. That just happens to be a job more relevant to an area of the country I currently live in. In a city, it could be more unsavory custodial work, discounted construction, basic gopher work, etc.

Of course, nice of you to play the race card there, boy. Aint's nobody callin yous a Uncle Tom, huh?
 
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