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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Try feeding a family of 6 and providing a roof over their heads living in the Sudan for what amounts to $30 a year..

    Don't belly ach to me about poverty. There's no such thing as poverty in the US only poor, unable, and lazy!! The unable is the ones we should care about, the lazy can eat **** for all I care!
    Agreed.

    In late spring of 1962, Time magazine had a picture of President Kennedy attending a basball game in San Francisco with his host, a multi-millionaire real estate developer with a fascinating biography: He was born in southwestern Russia in 1906, drafted into the czar's army in 1917 (11 years old!!) and marched off. In a few months the Bolsheviks took over the country, surrendered about a third of it to Germany, and the army fell apart. Since the kid's home was on the German side of the line, he decided not to go back and hitchhiked 5,000 miles down the Siberian railroad to Vladivostok where he did whatever was necessary to survive until he landed a post as cabin boy on a freighter bound for the US. He landed in San Francisco in 1919: 13 years old, no friends, no family, no education to speak of, and knowing just as much English as he had been able to learn from the sailors on the trip across the Pacific. Forty-three years later he is a wealthy man with his picture in a national magazine, sitting next to his good friend the president.

    I suspect the guy had a pretty ruthless record on his journey from janitor to landlord, and I'm not sure I would ever want to invite him to my home for dinner, but I surely do admire his survival skills and I think about him whenever I hear the whining for more government handouts.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea View Post
    They do. They ask how much cash you receive under the table, bank records for 6 months, burial plots, cars, homes, boats, rvs, anuities, trust funds, inheritances... list goes on and on and you have to account for all of it with paperwork.


    And to whoever was taken aback by $7 for 2 pizzas, here tombstone pizzas are $3.33. Apples are nearly $2 a pound, oranges I think are right at $2 per pound. Avacados if not on special are a dollar each and even lettuce costs $1.50 per head. The lean meats cost 1 and a 1/2 times the prepackaged gunk costs, and a 5lb bag of chicken is $10. Foodstamps don't buy preprepared foods or carryout.
    So to get government assistance, you have to list all the boats you own and trust funds in your name?

    Thanks for assisting my argument.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Of course not, I just see the alternatives as being ineffective and leading down a troubling path.
    I don't. I see it as requiring them to use the resources that society gives them in a manner society deems acceptable. If they want freedom to live as they like, they're free to make their own money.

    Investing in business or getting certain jobs. It takes money to make money.
    Both of which take credit cards, I'm sure. Neither of which require using ATMs in strip clubs.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea View Post
    So vomparing us with a third wold nation does what exactly? Its not laziness in most cases. Do you have kids? Have you ever worked 60 hours a week with barely enough income at the end of it to make rent and nothing left over for food? Have you ever seen your kids go hungry or take a diaper bag to walmart soley to steal bread and meat because there is no food in your house? There is poverty in America. We are a first world nation. No child should go hungry.
    I have 4 children, and I worked 70 to 75 hours a week early in my career, and prioritized many a month figuring out how to pay the bills. I was in a career in retail, and it suddenly hit me one day that as good as I was at my job, it was NEVER going to be enough to send my kids to college so I made a change in course. I was lucky in some cases, unlucky in others, but all through it I never waivered, and worked hard. The sacrifice was heavy. I lost my wife, and never saw my kids, and I am repaying that lost time now that I am successful.

    I agree with you, NO child should go hungry, hell dude, no child should be put in a position to be born of parents that are unable to support them, nurture them, but all to often they are. It's not their fault, and why I was careful to include the unable as a demographic of welfare recipients. No one is suggesting that the truly unable be made to suffer. It's the lazy, and unmotivated, and entitled that are not worthy of support. If I had settled for welfare it would have delayed my epiphany perhaps several years, and I might add that all the while I was working those 70/75 hours a week, my standard of living after taxes, bills, and everything else, was barely on pace with an average welfare recipient. Don't lecture me about what it takes to succeed, I am living testimony of what it takes. When I see people at the grocery store with three carts full of food and me and my family with one filled mostly with no-name brand food, the cheaper meats, canned meat, I get a little testy when those very same people wheeling those carts around the store are wearing the $200 sneakers, the bling, have cell phones, and seem perfectly capable of finding work.


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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm beyond tired of liberals comparing welfare to the military. Welfare is for individual assistance and regardless if it is offered to everyone or a few that is always the case. The military is different. The military exists to protect the country itself from the threats out of outside aggression. There is no amount of greater gain for one party over another nor is there any reason to expect that it exists for the benefit of one while not for the another.
    That's pure speculation unless you've got a list of which politicians own stock in what companies and which companies contribute to their campaign funds and party super-pacs.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Tim, as heartwarming as your ambition and successes are, its not enough for everyone. I graduated high school at 16 with a 4.0 and was emancipated from my foster home. I was assigned a job at Krogers bagging groceries for a little over $7/hour and given and apartment for $300/ month that was paid for the first 3 months. Having to abide by the 16 year old work hours wasn't feesable for very long and my only recourse was to move in with my boyfriend. It was good in that I was able to pursue vollege courses but it was short lived when I got a kidney infection and via antibiotics, voided my birth control. I had my son at 18 and began to work 70+ hours a week at a gas station. When that got shut down I lost my job and my husband began working at Chuck E Cheese and dropped out of high school. We haven't recovered from that. Weve been in and out of jobs, especially me because of my ADHD and I'm not very personable. We aren't lazy or unskilled I got a 5.0 in my Medical Assisting course and I speak 3 languages fluently. I am working on my fourth and fifth as we speak. I'm on a smart phone right now but at a computer I can type 90-95 wpm. I can learn and memorize and have a gift for languages, but I cannot socialize. Bosses, friends, coworkers, patrons... I'm weird and without insurance and my medication I'm very distractable. I'm also vlumsy and slow at physical labor making retail a pretty bad fit. But theyre the only places readily hiring. I would love to find gainful employment I can do but even stocking shelves or working a cash register can be screwed up by me. I need something with paperwork... like my job in data entry. Plus we dont have family to watch the kids on occassion or lend us $20 for gas to get to work etc... Its just the 2 of us. Some people hace the aggressive follow through and drive to propel them into better positions but try being the girl writting essays on Anne Rice novels in second grade and memorizing the Periodic Table at 10 to go out and conquer the world of the service sector and its not as productive. Even before my first son was born I couldn't afford my college credits, books, Food, and rent. So how do we move up from where we are stagnant? I have done everything I can to boost my appeal to potential employers, but it takes a month to three months before the socially awkward, clumsy, little bookworm that can't multitask without getting sidetracked and overwhelmed comes crawling from the woodwork. And my husband being the high school dropout can't get a job to pay him over $9/hour. Going back to school is impossible because of daycare costs and student loan default, our daughter with a congenital heart defect, and my chronic kidney infections. Just b,cause one person can move up with hard work doesnt make that a universal truth for all. The variables in each case are different.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Welfare recipients took out cash at bars, liquor stores, X-rated video shops, hookah parlors and even strip clubs — where they presumably spent their taxpayer money on lap dances rather than diapers, a Post investigation found.



    A database of 200 million Electronic Benefit Transfer records from January 2011 to July 2012, obtained by The Post through a Freedom of Information request, showed welfare recipients using their EBT cards to make dozens of cash withdrawals at ATMs inside Hank’s Saloon in Brooklyn; the Blue Door Video porn shop in the East Village; The Anchor, a sleek SoHo lounge; the Patriot Saloon in TriBeCa; and Drinks Galore, a liquor distributor in The Bronx.

    The state Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance (OTDA), which oversees the “cash assistance program,” even lists some of these welfare-ready ATMs on its Web site.

    Welfare recipients receive food stamps and cash assistance under the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Both benefits are accessed through an EBT card, but only cash assistance — meant for housing, utilities and household necessities — can be accessed at ATMs.

    A single-person household could receive a maximum $200 in monthly food stamps plus $158 in cash assistance. A family of four could get as much as $668 in food stamps and $433 in cash.

    The food-stamp program prohibits the purchase of booze, tobacco and lottery tickets with an EBT card. But with the cash-assistance program, users can blow money on strippers or a six-pack and to tap welfare dollars from liquor stores, casinos and adult-oriented establishments.

    The Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act, signed by President Obama last February, requires states to prohibit sinful welfare spending by 2014. If they don’t, they’ll forfeit federal cash.

    A spokesman with the US Department of Health and Human Services said states make their own rules on EBT cards.

    Some states already limit where EBT cards can withdraw money.....snip~

    EXCLUSIVE: Welfare recipients using EBT cards to get cash at strip clubs, X-rated video stores and bars - NYPOST.com

    Guess this goes with them Using Food Stamps and those that sell them for cash at twice the Amount in Food Stamps. Some of them stand Right outside Stores that are designed for the EBT and food stamps. Thoughts?
    That article is really misleading. First off, EBT is the system of benefit distribution, not just welfare. It seems to try to focus on welfare, but the reality is that most welfare is not given out in cash benefits. SNAP, or modern food stamps is not a cash system at all, and benefits are restricted to edible items, and can be restricted further. You don't get cash from that. You cannot even buy a pan to cook your food in because it is not food.

    However, unemployment and disability benefits which are paid for a person to live on are often given in cash through the EBT system. Yes, if you are getting unemployment you can spend it on porn if you so chose to. You were taxed to cover it, so you can spend it.

    The New York post is known for being a deceptive source of lies and propaganda. If you ever want to play a fun game you pick up a copy of the post and another legitimate newspaper and try to match up the stories. It is hard sometimes. The post is one very tiny step away from reporting that elvis is having bigfoot's baby.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea View Post
    Tim, as heartwarming as your ambition and successes are, its not enough for everyone. I graduated high school at 16 with a 4.0 and was emancipated from my foster home. I was assigned a job at Krogers bagging groceries for a little over $7/hour and given and apartment for $300/ month that was paid for the first 3 months. Having to abide by the 16 year old work hours wasn't feesable for very long and my only recourse was to move in with my boyfriend. It was good in that I was able to pursue vollege courses but it was short lived when I got a kidney infection and via antibiotics, voided my birth control. I had my son at 18 and began to work 70+ hours a week at a gas station. When that got shut down I lost my job and my husband began working at Chuck E Cheese and dropped out of high school. We haven't recovered from that. Weve been in and out of jobs, especially me because of my ADHD and I'm not very personable. We aren't lazy or unskilled I got a 5.0 in my Medical Assisting course and I speak 3 languages fluently. I am working on my fourth and fifth as we speak. I'm on a smart phone right now but at a computer I can type 90-95 wpm. I can learn and memorize and have a gift for languages, but I cannot socialize. Bosses, friends, coworkers, patrons... I'm weird and without insurance and my medication I'm very distractable. I'm also vlumsy and slow at physical labor making retail a pretty bad fit. But theyre the only places readily hiring. I would love to find gainful employment I can do but even stocking shelves or working a cash register can be screwed up by me. I need something with paperwork... like my job in data entry. Plus we dont have family to watch the kids on occassion or lend us $20 for gas to get to work etc... Its just the 2 of us. Some people hace the aggressive follow through and drive to propel them into better positions but try being the girl writting essays on Anne Rice novels in second grade and memorizing the Periodic Table at 10 to go out and conquer the world of the service sector and its not as productive. Even before my first son was born I couldn't afford my college credits, books, Food, and rent. So how do we move up from where we are stagnant? I have done everything I can to boost my appeal to potential employers, but it takes a month to three months before the socially awkward, clumsy, little bookworm that can't multitask without getting sidetracked and overwhelmed comes crawling from the woodwork. And my husband being the high school dropout can't get a job to pay him over $9/hour. Going back to school is impossible because of daycare costs and student loan default, our daughter with a congenital heart defect, and my chronic kidney infections. Just b,cause one person can move up with hard work doesnt make that a universal truth for all. The variables in each case are different.
    Please read this. First off, as for data entry you make a lot of spelling mistakes. I would not normally be a dick about that, but when you are saying you do good at that and then you type terribly it tends to make people think you are full of crap. Sorry about being blunt. Second, the not being able to socialize thing is a huge problem. I don't know how you are going to work on it, but even if you are in a position where you don't need to talk to customers you still need to deal with coworkers. It probably also effects your interviewing skills.

    If you cannot fix it you have only one other solution, and this is a hard path. you need to start your own business. You need to find something you can make or do and sell that. It is not as hard as it seems, and if you are able to get through the tedium of data entry you should be able to focus on something and make things. You have a world of distribution opportunities never seen before. If you are really serious and need some help PM me. I have helped a number of people set up their own businesses, and get through problems like this. however, it is all on you to make it work. It is not going to make you a million dollars, but it will make you money to survive.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    The New York post is known for being a deceptive source of lies and propaganda. If you ever want to play a fun game you pick up a copy of the post and another legitimate newspaper and try to match up the stories. It is hard sometimes. The post is one very tiny step away from reporting that elvis is having bigfoot's baby.
    Ya think? It is owned by Newscorp and hence Rupert Murdoch.. hence it is a mouth piece of the GOP.

    And it is ironic the biggest welfare recipients dont get any media time... the big corporations like Newscorp, Exxon and so on, who all receive hundreds of billions in welfare each year.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Dozens of withdraws... out of... millions? Perfectly acceptable margin of fraud in a world where guilty Enron executives die on vacation and JP Morgan's links to ponzi schemes mean nothing.
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