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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post

    Guess this goes with them Using Food Stamps and those that sell them for cash at twice the Amount in Food Stamps. Some of them stand Right outside Stores that are designed for the EBT and food stamps. Thoughts?
    that was your original claim- DOUBLE value. Good to see now you have done some research and what i said, fiddy on the dollah is more the norm.

    Now you drag in the grocers and businessmen who are committing fraud, again no one said fraud doesn't exist and would be nice if the enforcement branches of all forms of oversight in gubmint be enlarged but the tea party/libertarian crowd hates 'big invasive' gubmint and the place to stop this fraud is at the chamber of commerce level and 'conservatives' don't normally hunt their own.

    I see this as the right wing thrash around not to improve oversight but to end the programs.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    I've said the following many times. Since addition is associative and commutative, we have
    ( w - x ) + ( y - z ) = ( w - z ) + ( y - x ).
    From this, we see the obvious fact that if someone is wasting the money they earned and then using food stamps then it is equivalent to them purchasing the food they needed with their money and us giving them money to waste. This is why I believe consent to financial disclosure, including assets, should be a requirement for government assistance.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    It's hard to show accountability when they give them straight up cash.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So why even mention the ministers are black? You are racebaiting. The point was ministers behaving badly and you toss the race issue into a welfare whine. No Sir, you probably are so use to seeing race when angry it didn't occur to you it was race baiting.
    Nice attempt at deflection since you don't think people around Chicago and Gary are getting scammed or even having their foodstamps and LINK Cards Outrright stolen from them. Just like you didn't notice about the Porno place and the Lounges with ATMs. Just like you didn't think people have been doing the food stamps for half-price......FOR YEARS!

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post

    I didn't really think it would have mattered so much their race. But since they didn't bust any Hispanic or white ministers nor any others of any other ethnicity. I would think those that say they are ministers and have ten people that follow them and not paying taxes plus being on Welfare. Would be far more important.

    I wouldn't care what color they were.....as long as they aren't gaming the system and taking advantage of someone else. Or did that point escape your assumptions too?

    So save you racebaiting BS for where it belongs.

    What did you have trouble understanding this? Still couldn't get past that point due to your judgments you like to throw out on people? "What'.....did your paint brush decide that it had some more hair to try and fling with?

    I am not angry over the issue nor have I ever really been except for those who keep getting taken advantage of.....kinda leaves your assuming theory, where it belongs. In your very own head.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    So if they can't get additional income, and the EBT cards control their purchases, how are people supposed to better themselves and get out of poverty. Strict control of welfare recipients doesn't foster greater independence or responsibility. It just creates another peon for the state.
    Do you think going to the strip club or buying drugs is bettering themselves? Seriously, what is it that they are not being allowed to do with their money that makes their situation demonstrably better?
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Do you think going to the strip club or buying drugs is bettering themselves?
    Of course not, I just see the alternatives as being ineffective and leading down a troubling path.

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    Seriously, what is it that they are not being allowed to do with their money that makes their situation demonstrably better?
    Investing in business or getting certain jobs. It takes money to make money.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    that was your original claim- DOUBLE value. Good to see now you have done some research and what i said, fiddy on the dollah is more the norm.

    Now you drag in the grocers and businessmen who are committing fraud, again no one said fraud doesn't exist and would be nice if the enforcement branches of all forms of oversight in gubmint be enlarged but the tea party/libertarian crowd hates 'big invasive' gubmint and the place to stop this fraud is at the chamber of commerce level and 'conservatives' don't normally hunt their own.

    I see this as the right wing thrash around not to improve oversight but to end the programs.
    For some, this means illegally trading their food stamps for money, which is considered welfare fraud! Despite the possible consequences, many feel it's do or die and choose to illegally sell their food stamps for about 50% of their worth. The family then struggles to buy food for the rest of the month....snip~

    "Say What" you are even more nieve than I thought could possibly and even normally be. What part didn't you get for about 50% of what they are worth? Isnt that like Double? As in hey, I want to sell my food stamps. What ya need? 20 dollars cash. Do you think when they say 40 dollars for their food stamps. That is half their worth?

    So the Criminal or usurper isn't getting Double the money?

    Where did you go to school to learn math?

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's hard to show accountability when they give them straight up cash.
    They do. They ask how much cash you receive under the table, bank records for 6 months, burial plots, cars, homes, boats, rvs, anuities, trust funds, inheritances... list goes on and on and you have to account for all of it with paperwork.


    And to whoever was taken aback by $7 for 2 pizzas, here tombstone pizzas are $3.33. Apples are nearly $2 a pound, oranges I think are right at $2 per pound. Avacados if not on special are a dollar each and even lettuce costs $1.50 per head. The lean meats cost 1 and a 1/2 times the prepackaged gunk costs, and a 5lb bag of chicken is $10. Foodstamps don't buy preprepared foods or carryout.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    When I was a kid, I remember some type of program where people would go to a central local location, and pick up what they called "commodities". I would much rather support something along these lines, than what we see today. As far as I am concerned, "welfare" money needs to be spent on actual needs, and not random wants. If you want to buy your "wants", then get a job and pay for it yourself.
    I remember a case from back in the nineties (maybe up around Duluth, MN?) where a welfare mother was caught having almost $10k in the bank, and the prosecutor was actually talking prison time for the offense. Upon further investigation, it turned out that this woman was extremely thrifty, and had actually saved the money out of her welfare payments over the previous two years. She bought inexpensive commodities for food, shopped for clothes for herself and her 8-year old daughter in second-hand stores, and generally pinched her pennies so hard you would think Abe Lincoln would get ingrown whiskers. And she was saving the money for her daughter's education. The case was finally settled by the state confiscating all her savings above the statutory allowance of $1000.

    The case disturbed me (and still does). We always hear how welfare payments are never enough but when someone comes along who really tries to make it work - and puts her child's education on her priority list - it bothers me that the state takes the money back. Presumably to give to someone who will spend it on strip clubs, booze or drugs.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post

    The case disturbed me (and still does). We always hear how welfare payments are never enough but when someone comes along who really tries to make it work - and puts her child's education on her priority list - it bothers me that the state takes the money back. Presumably to give to someone who will spend it on strip clubs, booze or drugs.
    I agree in that type of case, but I consider a good education a "need" if you want to make a decent living wage anymore. Very sad case imo.
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