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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Actually 'the taxpayer' doesn't mean one small group who doesn't much care for the whole concept. I don't get to say what the military buys with taxpayer money, I am however a taxpayer.

    I stop on the south side of Lawton, Ok several times a month to use the ATM in Discount Foods. I have yet to buy a thing in that store. The ATM is close to the Hot Wok where I do spend cash for quick chinee take-out. The OP does a smear by proxy. No real proof how much money is used in the sin locations. More a case of the ATM in the location was used. I'm not about to say NO fraud occurs, just smear hit pieces like this are pot stirrers for those who already are in the Hallelujah Chorus.

    Sounds like a bit of right wing whine over a problem all ready with a fix in the pipeline. Is the far right whiners THAT hard up for something to attack social spending during the lead-up to the next round of fighting over where the cuts come from and how deep the cuts go?

    MMC- most of your OP was just poo flinging, the last bit about food stamps is not how it is here in SW OK. 'Food Stamps' are far more likely to go for fiddy cent on the dollah than double face value. Double face value just doesn't make sense-

    not that a partisan hack piece needs to...
    WELL this is Chicago and around here.....they will give 20 dollars Cash money for 30-40 dollars worth of food stamps.

    Moreover how is it poo flinging when with NY alone they are showing you where the ATMS are.....evidenced by the OP.

    "inside Hank’s Saloon in Brooklyn; the Blue Door Video porn shop in the East Village; The Anchor, a sleek SoHo lounge; the Patriot Saloon in TriBeCa; and Drinks Galore, a liquor distributor in The Bronx.....snip~

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Why is the fact that they were black relevant?
    Well If they would have busted any others out of Chicago and Gary with the Sting.....then I would have said so. Which would have included any Whites and or Hispanics in their crackdown. But they didn't at the time.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    WELL this is Chicago and around here.....they will give 20 dollars Cash money for 30-40 dollars worth of food stamps.

    Moreover how is it poo flinging when with NY alone they are showing you where the ATMS are.....evidenced by the OP.

    "inside Hank’s Saloon in Brooklyn; the Blue Door Video porn shop in the East Village; The Anchor, a sleek SoHo lounge; the Patriot Saloon in TriBeCa; and Drinks Galore, a liquor distributor in The Bronx.....snip~

    Bloomberg Turf.....Right?
    You got a source for double face value on food stamps?

    Why would I pay double for a food card when I can spend the regular amount on food? It makes ZERO sense! You don't need a card to buy food, cash still works. It is like paying a dollah for a fiddy cent off coupon.

    You don't seem to have too great a grasp on capitalism and consumer practices. Main Street complains about Walmart because it can offer goods cheaper, yet people will pay DOUBLE a card's value when they can just buy the food at normal prices?

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Nice deflection for the question. Why did MMC decide the ministers needed to be defined by race? I'd opine a lot of lighter shade of pale ministers sure dress with a lot of flash for being 'simple men of Gawd'.

    From MMC it is nothing new, I too am surprised Risky made mention of it. Also surprised MMC didn't use a better code, like urban or something.
    I didn't really think it would have mattered so much their race. But since they didn't bust any Hispanic or white ministers nor any others of any other ethnicity. I would think those that say they are ministers and have ten people that follow them and not paying taxes plus being on Welfare. Would be far more important.

    I wouldn't care what color they were.....as long as they aren't gaming the system and taking advantage of someone else. Or did that point escape your assumptions too?

    So save you racebaiting BS for where it belongs.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You got a source for double face value on food stamps?

    Why would I pay double for a food card when I can spend the regular amount on food? It makes ZERO sense! You don't need a card to buy food, cash still works. It is like paying a dollah for a fiddy cent off coupon.

    You don't seem to have too great a grasp on capitalism and consumer practices. Main Street complains about Walmart because it can offer goods cheaper, yet people will pay DOUBLE a card's value when they can just buy the food at normal prices?
    There are drug addicts who would prefer to get high than eat, and are more willing to part with some of what's on their EBT cards in order to get their next fix. However, most who trade EBT cards for cash are those who snatched the purses of old ladies. These are predatory animals, and should be treated as such.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Yeah, there is probably a lot of fruit picking jobs unfilled in New York City, Chicago, Boston and on and on. It's been my experience that fruits and vegetables are grown on farms rather than in cities. I've been to most big cities in the US and damned if I can recall seeing a lot of vegetable farms. Of course we could round up all these welfare recipients and ship them to Dixie and have them pick cotton. Maybe we could get you to supervise them, Massa Gipper. Ain't nothin' quite like supervising anyone doing anything that they don't want to do.
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    "What".....You don't think they have farms and fields to pick Vegetables and Fruits within 20 mins of Downtown Chicago? That's just on the Southside. Then there is Southwest and West of the City and not even 30 minutes away.

    Been to many Midwestern Cities lately?

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You got a source for double face value on food stamps?

    Why would I pay double for a food card when I can spend the regular amount on food? It makes ZERO sense! You don't need a card to buy food, cash still works. It is like paying a dollah for a fiddy cent off coupon.

    You don't seem to have too great a grasp on capitalism and consumer practices. Main Street complains about Walmart because it can offer goods cheaper, yet people will pay DOUBLE a card's value when they can just buy the food at normal prices?

    Grocery owners accused of $500,000 in food stamp fraud

    Staff report | June 23, 2011

    Authorities say they seized $377,000 in cash from a Waukegan couple accused of defrauding food stamp and nutrition programs at their small grocery store. Fatima and Khaled Saleh, who operate Sunset Food Market in Waukegan, illegally gave cash to customers who made "falsely inflated purchases" using food stamp cards and nutrition coupons, according to a federal indictment announced today. They also bought infant formula and other items that customers had purchased at other stores using the cards and coupons, paying customers about half the value and then reselling the items in their store at much higher prices, according to the indictment.....snip~

    Articles about Food Stamps by Date - Page 5 - Chicago Tribune

    For some, this means illegally trading their food stamps for money, which is considered welfare fraud! Despite the possible consequences, many feel it's do or die and choose to illegally sell their food stamps for about 50% of their worth. The family then struggles to buy food for the rest of the month....snip~

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    FIFTEEN CHICAGO RESIDENTS CHARGED WITH FOOD STAMP FRAUD

    FIFTEEN CHICAGO RESIDENTS CHARGED WITH FOOD STAMP FRAUD



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    General Roger C. Viadero announced today that a federal grand jury has charged

    15 defendants, mostly owners and operators of small groceries in Chicago, with

    various offenses relating to fraud in the federally funded Food Stamp Program.

    The charges include illegal trafficking in food stamps, conspiracy, mail

    fraud, and federal income tax offenses.

    Five of the defendants were alleged to have illegally obtained and

    redeemed food stamps worth more than $1 million during recent years. The

    other ten defendants are charged with illegally purchasing food stamps for

    cash amounts less than the face value from an undercover law enforcement

    officer.


    U were saying .....or do I need to throw up some more. You can go to the Chicago Tribune or Sun-times Newspapers. As they have Most of all the stories from 1998 on up. U know from back in Clinton times too.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I didn't really think it would have mattered so much their race. But since they didn't bust any Hispanic or white ministers nor any others of any other ethnicity. I would think those that say they are ministers and have ten people that follow them and not paying taxes plus being on Welfare. Would be far more important.

    I wouldn't care what color they were.....as long as they aren't gaming the system and taking advantage of someone else. Or did that point escape your assumptions too?

    So save you racebaiting BS for where it belongs.
    So why even mention the ministers are black? You are racebaiting. The point was ministers behaving badly and you toss the race issue into a welfare whine. No Sir, you probably are so use to seeing race when angry it didn't occur to you it was race baiting.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There are a lot of reforms which can be done to the welfare system; though I think it would be foolhardy to scrape it all together. One thing is that if you're not working and you're on welfare, I think we should get some Community Service out of you. It could be hard given various real life limitations; but there's no such thing as a free lunch and that needs to be impressed. Perhaps we've been dealing with this as such a free lunch program that the problems that have evolved were bound to evolve. At the same accord, I find it hard to argue for scraping the system all together.

    And besides, we pay more to corporations and bailing out banks. And those bastards don't have any limitations.
    New Mexico already has a program much like what you are talking about. NMHSD - ISD - New Mexico Works - Cash Assistance Programs Policy Manual

    Its called New Mexico Works In order to obtain cash assistance you must meet obligations that the program has set for your case. If you lack the education to maintain a job they will require you to take classes once you have met those requirements then it moves to you must show proof that you are seeking employment. Each month you must turn in that proof and if you fail to meet your obligations that you agreed to as a requirement you no longer are eligible to receive anything. The end result is that it would be much easier and more beneficial for you to just get a job any job. While a person is a member of New Mexico Works they get a good taste what it would be like to live in a authoritarian country. The big difference being that you can quit at any time but not without having to go on a waiting period if you wish to try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea View Post
    Honestly, what child do you know that eats nothing but healthy foods? And I would propose that teh reasoning behind not restricting every food choice to something nutritious is because it would cost nearly twice as much. U can get 2 boxes of donuts for the same price as a bag of apples. I can buy 2 pizzas for $7 vs paying $7 for 2 lbs of lean hamburger. Soda costs alot less than juice when it comes to kids. We feed our kids fruits and veggies and buy them milk and all the things that are good for them but by the end of the month its down to vuying affordable products. Only junk food costs $1 and can be stretched enough for 5 people.
    Are you actually serious? First your promotion of eating junk food over healthy food is not only bazaar, its insane. Secondly your idea of what things cost (2 pizzas for $7) is unreal.
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