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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    If the government is going to spend money to help the poor it has two options. It can either regulate and micromanage the lives of recipients so that they only spend money what they "need," which is incredibly subjective and paternalistic or they could get a check. If a recipient chooses to spend the money of strippers or booze that's cool. They just shouldn't expect a dime when it comes to housing or food. Ultimately, this isn't a huge amount of money, and I think that people are making a bigger deal out of this than it is. Whatever rules you put up, people will get around them.
    When these people are using tax money, the taxpayers have every right to determine what they're allowed to use it on. If the welfare recipients don't like it, they can get jobs.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    While it appears that states can restrict EBT cash withdrawal locations, it doesn't do anything to stop someone from using a bank ATM, get 20 bucks, and pick up a dildo for later.
    Which is why I don't think you ought to be able to get cash off the cards at all. You'd be hard pressed to find a retail establishment out there that doesn't take credit cards.

    And I don't think they have a say in what a person does with that money anyway. If the state is dumb enough to give cash, then they don't get to attach strings.
    Cool, let's stop giving it to them then.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I always liked this idea because I thought that it could also help curb the immigration problem we have in America. There are people crossing the border from Mexico to come here and do jobs that Americans simply refuse to do - pick fruit/vegetables, for example. These types of jobs could be the ones assigned to people on assistance, thereby pushing jobs away from illegals/immigrants and giving them back to Americans.
    Exactly, and welfare shouldn't be a do nothing program; it will only encourage people to stay on it. Help out, yes, we've seen what happens without these programs and we can reasonably use the aggregate power of government to provide a structure that aids the individual during tough times. I'm not against something like that in theory. But there's no such thing as a free lunch and the welfare program should be a fairly large pain in the ass. The point is that you shouldn't want to be on it, and look for ways to get off it ASAP.

    Now it's not just as simple as an easily abused system. And as specklebang pointed out above, it's a fairly negligible percentage. There are many factors which encourage staying on welfare including the corporate welfare systems we have which destroy economic mobility. To right the problem would take major upheavals on several levels of current practice and "regulation" (the likes the Republocrats will NEVER implement, their buddy's are the corporations and banks). But you have to start somewhere and you have to move towards fixing a problem instead of exacerbating it.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    When these people are using tax money, the taxpayers have every right to determine what they're allowed to use it on. If the welfare recipients don't like it, they can get jobs.
    I agree in principle, but it is very difficult to actually enforce. If they are going to waste money, that's one thing, but if they don't have public housing or food stamps for their groceries to turn to, most who need to change their behavior probably will or suffer as a consequence.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I agree in principle, but it is very difficult to actually enforce. If they are going to waste money, that's one thing, but if they don't have public housing or food stamps for their groceries to turn to, most who need to change their behavior probably will or suffer as a consequence.
    Or they just turn to crime or fraud, which a lot of them are already engaged in already. It's not that difficult to enforce, you just require them to use their EBT cards for everything, they cannot ever get a penny in cash off the cards, and spending habits are tracked. Computers are good at that kind of thing, hardly any human intervention is required. If you start seeing variances, you address them. Stores which are "charging" the cards and just giving cash back ought to be pretty easy to detect and the owners should be charged with credit card fraud.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    There is alot left open to the states but there are federal guidelines that they all must follow. Meeting MOEs and reporting, transfering 50% of their cases from unemployed to work, and meeting a work activity requirement for example

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Honestly, what child do you know that eats nothing but healthy foods? And I would propose that teh reasoning behind not restricting every food choice to something nutritious is because it would cost nearly twice as much. U can get 2 boxes of donuts for the same price as a bag of apples. I can buy 2 pizzas for $7 vs paying $7 for 2 lbs of lean hamburger. Soda costs alot less than juice when it comes to kids. We feed our kids fruits and veggies and buy them milk and all the things that are good for them but by the end of the month its down to vuying affordable products. Only junk food costs $1 and can be stretched enough for 5 people.

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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    This is totally ridiculous. I've never understood why it is that Food Stamps exist in the first place. These people should get a pre-sorted selection of FOOD every month based on the number of adults and children in the family. I'll even be nice enough to allow for the selections to be oriented towards specific ethnic groups (Latino, Asian, etc...) within the limits that the food is healthy and nutritious, not the crap I see people buying with their EBT cards all the time.

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    When I was a kid, I remember some type of program where people would go to a central local location, and pick up what they called "commodities". I would much rather support something along these lines, than what we see today. As far as I am concerned, "welfare" money needs to be spent on actual needs, and not random wants. If you want to buy your "wants", then get a job and pay for it yourself.
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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea View Post
    Wow you people really have no idea what you're talking about do you? To be on TANF you have to look for work 35 hours a week and if a job isn't obtained within a month you're assigned to a community service assignment 35+ hours a week to make well below minimum wage. There is a hotline to report welfare fraud and there is always the option of going to your loxal office and reporting it You cannot just sit on your ass and receive TANF like the old AFDC. BNot to mention that there is at least one interviee with your caseworker every week. The problem is that TANF is designed to push people into low wage jobs. You cannot go to college while on TANF and if you get a part time job working 30 hours a week you are dtstill required to job search the other 5 hours. TANF disreguards your income in incriments once a job is found. %100 for the first 3 months, 80% for the next 3 months and so on until its down to %40. So if someone starts making $3000 a month while on TANF they will still receive the cash for another year.
    Link please? I'll admit that some states do things a little differently, but the reality is that NONE of what you stated is true in NY State! If I'm wrong, please show me with PROOF that what you say is true. What you are stating makes exactly zero sense both logically and practically.


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    Re: Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    When these people are using tax money, the taxpayers have every right to determine what they're allowed to use it on. If the welfare recipients don't like it, they can get jobs.
    Actually 'the taxpayer' doesn't mean one small group who doesn't much care for the whole concept. I don't get to say what the military buys with taxpayer money, I am however a taxpayer.

    I stop on the south side of Lawton, Ok several times a month to use the ATM in Discount Foods. I have yet to buy a thing in that store. The ATM is close to the Hot Wok where I do spend cash for quick chinee take-out. The OP does a smear by proxy. No real proof how much money is used in the sin locations. More a case of the ATM in the location was used. I'm not about to say NO fraud occurs, just smear hit pieces like this are pot stirrers for those who already are in the Hallelujah Chorus.

    Sounds like a bit of right wing whine over a problem all ready with a fix in the pipeline. Is the far right whiners THAT hard up for something to attack social spending during the lead-up to the next round of fighting over where the cuts come from and how deep the cuts go?

    MMC- most of your OP was just poo flinging, the last bit about food stamps is not how it is here in SW OK. 'Food Stamps' are far more likely to go for fiddy cent on the dollah than double face value. Double face value just doesn't make sense-

    not that a partisan hack piece needs to...

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