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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Updated at 1:40 p.m. ET with a correction.

    WOW! this'l sure shore up the Hispanic vote for the midterms.



    <Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa, a leading conservative voice on immigration issues, introduced a bill on Wednesday to end the practice of birthright citizenship.>

    <It's generally thought that the 14th Amendment provides a constitutional guarantee of citizenship for anyone born in the United States -- known as "birthright citizenship" -- but King told Hotsheet last year that he does not interpret the 14th Amendment that way.>

    <Meanwhile, holding Washington's feet to the fire on the issue, Republican state lawmakers from five states came to the capitol Wednesday to unveil their ownstate-driven plan to curtail birthright citizenship. The lawmakers said that legislation addressing the issue will be introduced in 14 states, though they expect it to be immediately challenged in court as unconstitutional.>


    Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
    King is wasting taxpayer money to get attention from the bigots who voted him into office.

    The bill is clearly unconstitutional. What a freaking idiot.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Blacks born in the mid 1800s weren't citizens, or did you forget about the whole 3/5ths a person
    the 3/5ths clause only applied to slaves, not all Blacks and had nothing to do with citizenship.

    A little later any black man who was willing to serve in the Northern Army was granted citizenship.
    I'd have to see evidence for that since it would have violated the Dred Scott decision.
    Still later all black folk were granted citizenship as a group. So no, your scenerio doesn't comport with reality.
    Under the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and then protected by the 14th Ammendment. Civil Rights Act of 1866:
    That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States
    14th Ammendment
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside
    So they were made citizens under the concept of birthright citizenship.

    So if Birthright Citizenship had NOT been enacted, then no person of African Descent would have been made a citizen, and then their children would not have been, etc.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post


    The citizenship rules you support, if in place (and should have been in place, or were in place, if you believe the Constitution reads that way) would imply that Blacks born in the mid-late 1800’s shouldn’t have been US citizens because their parents were not. There would remain to this day millions of people in this country that were not citizens because of that. Several generations, with no ‘home’ country to be deported to.


    I do not suggest making the change retroactive to 1787. Does that clear it up?

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    It has to do with lollipops and rainbows and whiskey springs trickling down Big Rock Candy Mountain and other ‘ideal’ situations. Do we deport and revoke citizenship for jaywalking? EDIT: Well the deporting would be really, really tough since there is not really anyplace to send such people to.

    EDIT: The real kicker, someone is born a ‘criminal’ without thought or intent or action other than just being. This constitutes an ideal world for you?
    No, that does not constitute an ideal world for me. Nor do we deport people for jaywalking, or revoke citizenship in any case except declaring new loyalties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    They were granted it via the 14th Amendment. My scenario only fails to comport due to what it borrows from jonny5’s world view, which is the point.
    Its not my world view. Its your assumption of my world view.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, that does not constitute an ideal world for me. Nor do we deport people for jaywalking, or revoke citizenship in any case except declaring new loyalties.
    Then you are talking at cross purposes with yourself and do not understand the implications of your position.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    But do you see how it would it would have been a consequence? IF there had been no birthright citizenship and the requirement had been to be born of US citizen parents, then any Black born in the US to Black parents would not have been a US citizen. And so their children would not be either etc. That's the whole reason the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Ammendment instituted clear birthright citizenship. In fact, the main reason for the 14th Ammendment was to prevent an overturn of the CRA of 1866 (which overcame a veto by President Johnson).
    If you made the change back then, and did nothing else. But that is not what I proposed.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    Then you are talking at cross purposes with yourself and do not understand the implications of your stand.
    Im talking cross purposes with your assumption.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post


    I do not suggest making the change retroactive to 1787. Does that clear it up?
    No, it does not clear it up, if by “it” you are referring to your self-contradiction.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Im talking cross purposes with your assumption.
    Not my assumptions, the natural, logical outcome of your position and of your ‘ideal’ about being law abiding.

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