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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    You lost track of the subject you were discussing?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061341851
    No, youre just being vague. My not claiming that is an implication of what desire?

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    In an ideal USA the immigration policies, government paralyzation and inaction, and bigoted nativists don’t help fabricate millions of said criminals.
    Im not sure how thats relavent to the idea of citizenship being inherited.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, youre just being vague. My not claiming that is an implication of what desire?


    The citizenship rules you support, if in place (and should have been in place, or were in place, if you believe the Constitution reads that way) would imply that Blacks born in the mid-late 1800’s shouldn’t have been US citizens because their parents were not. There would remain to this day millions of people in this country that were not citizens because of that. Several generations, with no ‘home’ country to be deported to.
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Im not sure how thats relavent to the idea of citizenship being inherited.
    It has to do with lollipops and rainbows and whiskey springs trickling down Big Rock Candy Mountain and other ‘ideal’ situations. Do we deport and revoke citizenship for jaywalking? EDIT: Well the deporting would be really, really tough since there is not really anyplace to send such people to.

    EDIT: The real kicker, someone is born a ‘criminal’ without thought or intent or action other than just being. This constitutes an ideal world for you?
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Unless there's a proposed Amendment to the Constitution, it can't fly. The interpretation of the 14th Amendment has historically been jus solis.


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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, I am not claiming that.
    But do you see how it would it would have been a consequence? IF there had been no birthright citizenship and the requirement had been to be born of US citizen parents, then any Black born in the US to Black parents would not have been a US citizen. And so their children would not be either etc. That's the whole reason the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Ammendment instituted clear birthright citizenship. In fact, the main reason for the 14th Ammendment was to prevent an overturn of the CRA of 1866 (which overcame a veto by President Johnson).
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    In an ideal USA, every citizen has obeyed the law and contributed to the administration of the union, through various means. That is the citizenship contract with the union.
    That's not possible if you are granting birthright citizenship to those who are born to citizens. Your claims about the ideal USA are mutually exclusive ones.
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post


    The citizenship rules you support, if in place (and should have been in place, or were in place, if you believe the Constitution reads that way) would imply that Blacks born in the mid-late 1800’s shouldn’t have been US citizens because their parents were not. There would remain to this day millions of people in this country that were not citizens because of that. Several generations, with no ‘home’ country to be deported to.
    Blacks born in the mid 1800s weren't citizens, or did you forget about the whole 3/5ths a person and slavery thing? A little later any black man who was willing to serve in the Northern Army was granted citizenship. Still later all black folk were granted citizenship as a group. So no, your scenerio doesn't comport with reality.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Still later all black folk were granted citizenship as a group. So no, your scenerio doesn't comport with reality.
    They were granted it via the 14th Amendment. My scenario only fails to comport due to what it borrows from jonny5’s world view, which is the point.
    Last edited by Dwight; 01-11-13 at 02:11 PM.

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