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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    While it might, I really don't think it's an issue anyone needs to be concerned about, anymore than a naturalized citizen sponsoring parents or other relatives. It's not really distinct from that.
    The distinction is that it is rewarding bad behavior. Its like your child doing something bad and then rewarding them for something that your other child did good. With a naturalized citizen you are rewarding good behavior.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Should legislation be more concerned with votes or whats in the best interest of the union? This seems like a pretty common sense amendment, which is how it should be proposed, not as a simple law. You shouldnt be a citizen simply for being born on US soil. You should be born to a US citizen.
    Why does who your parent's are matter? We already don't have full exercise of our rights until 21 (mostly 18), I say no citizens at birth. One must earn citizenship and become an American, else you just live here, can work here, no voting till you can prove you can find a state on the map.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Why does who your parent's are matter? We already don't have full exercise of our rights until 21 (mostly 18), I say no citizens at birth. One must earn citizenship and become an American, else you just live here, can work here, no voting till you can prove you can find a state on the map.
    It matters because citizens have more legal standing. In an ideal USA, parents have earned the right to pass on citizenship to their children.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How many anchor babies are 21+ sponsoring thier parents for citizenship now? I would bet more than a few.
    I am unclear why it is actually a problem? Seriously, a couple of people that have put in collectively over 4 decades of effort, and have a number of years ahead of them yet. Buddha on a bike, what exactly do you want out of people to become citizens?

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The distinction is that it is rewarding bad behavior.
    Being born is bad behavior????? The parents receive no reward. Unless you seriously consider waiting 21 years to be legally admitted a "reward." How is that more of a reward than a 21 year old marrying a US citizen gaining citizenship, and then bringing his/her parents over?

    Its like your child doing something bad and then rewarding them for something that your other child did good. With a naturalized citizen you are rewarding good behavior.
    Again...21 years delay is not really a reward in my book.
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You shouldnt be a citizen simply for being born on US soil. You should be born to a US citizen.
    I'm sorry, are you seriously claiming that Blacks born in the mid-late 1800's shouldn't have been US citizens because their parents were not? That's the reason birthright citizenship was instituted, but you're saying it shouldn't have been.

    So let's say it hadn't been. What would have been the consequences?
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    It matters because citizens have more legal standing. In an ideal USA, parents have earned the right to pass on citizenship to their children.
    I believe in individual rights, not transitive ones. That's your ideal USA, mine is much different.
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I believe in individual rights, not transitive ones. That's your ideal USA, mine is much different.
    Which gets us back to what this is really about, an attempt to (again, and further) legally entrench an intergenerational social class system.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Steve King, where were you when we needed you, no one spoke for our country and now it's gone.

    Need to make this bill retroactive about thirty years in order to mitigate the incredible liberal engineered destruction that spread across the entire American landscape.
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    This issue is making a mountain out of a molehill. The vast majority of illegal migrants come here for jobs. Waiting 21 years for the kid to sponsor you, another five to six to get the paperwork done, and finally that issue of trying to get legal status when you already broke the law coming in seems like a pretty inefficient way to get citizenship. The fact that anyone, let alone enough people to make this a bigger problem than kids being born here without citizenship would do this (which I have seen no evidence of, and would be a major problem) just goes to show the inefficiencies of our system.

    As for the point that America is only one of a few countries that has birthright citizenship, so what? Even if we ignore that this argument is nothing more than a thinly disguised appeal to authority, why should America be similar to the rest of the world? Very few countries have as stringent free speech protections as America does. Almost no countries have an equivalent to our gun rights. The same people who call for an end to birthright citizenship often vociferously defend these other things. I thought that America being special was something to be admired. Now I'm not saying that the uniqueness of our position is reason to have birthright citizenship. That's just as much of a fallacy as the opposite argument, but why the hell do we have to do what everybody else does?
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