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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Why? Especially since the whole point of the 14th ammendment was that since the Dred Scott case ruled that Blacks were not citizens, then basically a grandfather clause would have set in to restrict citizenship to Blacks.

    I'm not sure why people think that birthright citizenship is an issue. Do y'all really think it allows illegal immigrants to become legal and stay in the US? It doesn't. You have to be 21 to sponsor your parents for their green card.
    How many anchor babies are 21+ sponsoring thier parents for citizenship now? I would bet more than a few.
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    the issue I have is when those crossing the borders illegally and then give birth to a child. While the courts don't agree I tend to support the idea that the 14th has been misinterperted This sites sums it up pretty well.

    The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution
    But WHY do you have an issue with that? First, do you have any evidence that any significant number of people cross the border illegally specifically to have children? It actually occurs fairly commonly I believe with people legally entering the US to give birth, though that seems more about receiving better health care than anything to do with immigration.

    In the case that an illegal immigrant gives birth to a child in the US, that child is a US citizen, but is still a minor. The mother can receive some benefits, such as WIC, to care for that child, but she is still here illegally and subject to deportation, regardless of the citizenship of her child.
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How many anchor babies are 21+ sponsoring thier parents for citizenship now? I would bet more than a few.
    That's a pretty inefficient way to go about things, don't you think? Giving birth here and then waiting 21 years to enter legally. I'm not sure how that's an issue.
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    But WHY do you have an issue with that? First, do you have any evidence that any significant number of people cross the border illegally specifically to have children? It actually occurs fairly commonly I believe with people legally entering the US to give birth, though that seems more about receiving better health care than anything to do with immigration.

    In the case that an illegal immigrant gives birth to a child in the US, that child is a US citizen, but is still a minor. The mother can receive some benefits, such as WIC, to care for that child, but she is still here illegally and subject to deportation, regardless of the citizenship of her child.
    Why would you support a child of an illegal family being granted citizenship? As far as the stats, didn't President Obama just pass an order to grant children of illegal aliens some slack. Why would he do that if it was not a significant issue. Seems last I heard there are over 12 million illegal aliens here in the US.

    You evidently didn't read the link. My issue is that through the years the courts have misinterpreted the intent of the 14th when it comes to citizenship.

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    "We?" Next you're going to be talking about "Our" country. You know nothing of the American experience.

    What equivalence is there between the hard working, self reliant, Western European immigrants of 100 years ago and you 3rd world, welfare seeking, Obama worshiping illegals of today? America's former immigrants were culture and nation builders, you were imported here to destroy and steal.
    More bigotted bull that ignores REAL national history.

    Hard working, self reliant, Western European Immigrants???

    The Dutch were painted as lazy, drunken simpletons back in colonial days- Rip Van Winkles

    The Spanish as vicious,greedy,lazy, drunkards

    The French- do we really have to go through the list???

    Poles- know any good 'pollack' jokes?

    The Irish who came just in time to be cannon fodder for the War of Northern Aggression- lazy, drunks, apelike barely suitable for more than mines and the more dangerous factories.

    Germans were not thought of as much better, automatons in the Revolutionary War, cowards in the Civil War, their actions in the Shenandoah Valley didn't earn high praise in Eastern Newspapers.

    Eye-talians, they were the first European group to truly scare 'natives' here and get a severe immigration restriction in the 1920's.

    So who does that leave in the western european category???

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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Another fine example of racism supported by false history. What you think of Hispanic immigrants, legal and illegal, is nothing compared to the words and actions of many Americans when the Irish and Italians began "flooding" into America.
    Where did he mention race?
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    That's a pretty inefficient way to go about things, don't you think? Giving birth here and then waiting 21 years to enter legally. I'm not sure how that's an issue.
    Sure its inefficient. But it is an option and it does happen.
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Why would you support a child of an illegal family being granted citizenship?
    Why wouldn't I? And it's not a question of "granting" citizenship...you wouldn't say a child born of one or more US citizens is "granted" citizenship by being born in the US. A child born in the US is a US citizen, with the exception of children born to those with diplomatic immunity (not "subject to the jurisdiction")

    I'm not aware of any practical problems resulting from that. It does not provide an immediate backdoor for immigration unless the illegal parents give the child up for adoption. Otherwise the child is a minor and cannot stay here by him/herself and there are no special rights for the parents.


    As far as the stats, didn't President Obama just pass an order to grant children of illegal aliens some slack. Why would he do that if it was not a significant issue.
    Which has nothing to do with children born here. The Dream Act etc are for minor children brought into the US illegally by their parents. The idea is that since the illegal immigration is not the fault or responsibility of the children, they should face no more restrictions than children legally here. That's obviously subject to debate but nothing at all to do with birthright citizenship.
    Seems last I heard there are over 12 million illegal aliens here in the US.
    And? That doesn't make birthright citizenship an issue.

    You evidently didn't read the link. My issue is that through the years the courts have misinterpreted the intent of the 14th when it comes to citizenship.
    I did, and I disagree. The issue is the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." I don't see how it could be argued that children of illegal immigrants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US. That phrase applied to Native Americans born on reservations (until 1924 when all Indians were made citizens) and to the children of diplomats (who, having diplomatic immunity, are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US).

    And can you show anything where the intent of the 14th ammendment was not to apply to illegal immigrants? I've never seen such a thing.
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Sure its inefficient. But it is an option and it does happen.
    While it might, I really don't think it's an issue anyone needs to be concerned about, anymore than a naturalized citizen sponsoring parents or other relatives. It's not really distinct from that.
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    Re: Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Updated at 1:40 p.m. ET with a correction.

    WOW! this'l sure shore up the Hispanic vote for the midterms.



    <Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa, a leading conservative voice on immigration issues, introduced a bill on Wednesday to end the practice of birthright citizenship.>

    <It's generally thought that the 14th Amendment provides a constitutional guarantee of citizenship for anyone born in the United States -- known as "birthright citizenship" -- but King told Hotsheet last year that he does not interpret the 14th Amendment that way.>

    <Meanwhile, holding Washington's feet to the fire on the issue, Republican state lawmakers from five states came to the capitol Wednesday to unveil their ownstate-driven plan to curtail birthright citizenship. The lawmakers said that legislation addressing the issue will be introduced in 14 states, though they expect it to be immediately challenged in court as unconstitutional.>


    Steve King Moves Forward on Bill to End Birthright Citizenship - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
    Should legislation be more concerned with votes or whats in the best interest of the union? This seems like a pretty common sense amendment, which is how it should be proposed, not as a simple law. You shouldnt be a citizen simply for being born on US soil. You should be born to a US citizen.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/us/12babies.html?_r=0

    About 340,000 of the 4.3 million babies born in the United States in 2008 or 8 percent had at least one parent who was an illegal immigrant, according to a study published Wednesday by the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research group in Washington
    Which doesnt mean the other parent wasnt legal, but it also might miss miss some.
    Last edited by jonny5; 01-11-13 at 11:50 AM.

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