Report: White House Working Group Considers BROAD Gun-Control Measures.....

The White House is reportedly weighing gun-control measures that are broader and more comprehensive than bans on the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.

Measures under consideration by a working group led by Vice President Joe Biden include universal background checks for buyers, strengthened mental health examinations and stiffened penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, sources told The Washington Post.

One source told the newspaper that the White House may try to rally support from gun retailers including Wal-Mart to work around the National Rifle Association.

The vice president said he would call on the law enforcement officials in the group to help in a legislative push against "everything from cop-killer bullets to type of weapons that should be off the street."

White House press secretary Jay Carney last month also outlined concrete recommendations the president was expecting from the working group.

Carney said that in addition to assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips bans, the White House would push a law that required background checks on all gun purchases, even those conducted at gun shows or over the Internet.

Carney added that the president would also call on Congress to "take action to improve coordination between the federal government and state and local law enforcement to keep illegal guns out of the hands of criminals."

Members of the 113th Congress introduced 10 bills on Thursday relating to gun violence, most of which came from Democrats seeking new restrictions on gun ownership.

Read more: Report: White House working group considers broad gun-control measures - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room


Looks Like the Democrats are going to push this issue Despite needing to focus on more important issuse. 10 bills have been introduced since Thursday. Those backing the 2nd Amendment and Weapons Rights. Will All need to come out in force. Pressuring lawmakers and even the press to report this down accurately as the Left will seek to distract over other issues while seeking to go after Weapons.

obama's first term was focused on obama care instead of the economy and now his second term will be focused on gun control instead of the economy. We are sooooo screwed!

MMC said:

Looks Like the Democrats are going to push this issue Despite needing to focus on more important issuse. 10 bills have been introduced since Thursday. Those backing the 2nd Amendment and Weapons Rights. Will All need to come out in force. Pressuring lawmakers and even the press to report this down accurately as the Left will seek to distract over other issues while seeking to go after Weapons.

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• I support background checks on all gun purchases
• I support the White House using retailers and law enforcement agencies to wake up people like Mr. LaPierre for responsible gun ownership.
• And I especially support putting pressure on Congress to coordinate Federal, state and local law enforcement to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally incompetent.

And I believe that the American people support logical gun ownership as well.



Gallup Poll

Would you support all L.E.s should have to have a Psychological evaluation to carry a firearm and hold a Job working for Government too? Edit: that would be for every 3 years to keep all psychologicals current.

House Democrats name vice chairs of gun-violence task force

House Democrats have named the leaders of a new panel designed to fight gun violence.

The task force, formed in the wake of last month's shooting massacre in Newtown, Conn., will be led by lawmakers as diverse as Reps. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), an ardent supporter of gun control; John Dingell (Mich.), a long-time ally of the National Rifle Association; and Ron Barber (D-Ariz.), who was injured in the Tucson shooting that almost killed former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-Ariz.).

Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.), appointed chairman of the panel last month by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), said the group's task will be two-fold: "To reduce and prevent gun violence while also protecting the rights of law-abiding individuals without a history of dangerous mental illness to own legitimate firearms for legitimate purposes."

The other vice chairs are Democratic Reps. Bill Enyart (Ill.), a military veteran; Elizabeth Esty (Conn.), who represents Newtown; Chaka Fattah (Penn.), an advocate of gun-buyback programs; Grace Napolitano (Calif.), a mental-healthcare advocate; Ed Perlmutter (Colo.), who represents the town of Aurora, where a gunman shot 70 people at a movie theater last summer; David Price (N.C.), senior Democrat on the House Homeland Security Appropriations Subcommittee; Bobby Scott (Va.), senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime; Jackie Speier (Calif.), who was shot during a 1978 trip to investigate the notorious Jonestown cult in South America; and Bennie Thompson (Miss.), the chairman of the Congressional Sportsman’s Caucus, a pro-hunting group.

The panel says it will meet with gun-violence experts this month and recommend prevention strategies in February.

President Obama has also formed a gun violence task force in the aftermath of the massacre. Led by Vice President Joe Biden, a long-time supporter of tougher gun laws, the White House panel is expected to release its recommendations this month.

Meanwhile, at least 10 gun-related bills have already been introduced in the two days the House has been in session in the 113th Congress. Two of those are Republicans bills to ease Second Amendment restrictions, though most are Democratic proposals that would put new limitations on guns or firearm


Read more: House Democrats name vice chairs of gun-violence task force - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room


Again.....the Progressives and Liberals are serious this time round! They are going to go after this just like they did with Obamacare. All emotional and touchy feely. Showing the World's Leaders how they react out of Emotions!

MMC said:

The White House is reportedly weighing gun-control measures that are broader and more comprehensive than bans on the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.

Measures under consideration by a working group led by Vice President Joe Biden include universal background checks for buyers, strengthened mental health examinations and stiffened penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, sources told The Washington Post.

One source told the newspaper that the White House may try to rally support from gun retailers including Wal-Mart to work around the National Rifle Association.

The vice president said he would call on the law enforcement officials in the group to help in a legislative push against "everything from cop-killer bullets to type of weapons that should be off the street."

White House press secretary Jay Carney last month also outlined concrete recommendations the president was expecting from the working group.

Carney said that in addition to assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips bans, the White House would push a law that required background checks on all gun purchases, even those conducted at gun shows or over the Internet.

Carney added that the president would also call on Congress to "take action to improve coordination between the federal government and state and local law enforcement to keep illegal guns out of the hands of criminals."

Members of the 113th Congress introduced 10 bills on Thursday relating to gun violence, most of which came from Democrats seeking new restrictions on gun ownership.

Read more: Report: White House working group considers broad gun-control measures - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room


Looks Like the Democrats are going to push this issue Despite needing to focus on more important issuse. 10 bills have been introduced since Thursday. Those backing the 2nd Amendment and Weapons Rights. Will All need to come out in force. Pressuring lawmakers and even the press to report this down accurately as the Left will seek to distract over other issues while seeking to go after Weapons.

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The guns I have for self protection in my own home are not 'on the street.'

Maenad said:

The guns I have for self protection in my own home are not 'on the street.'

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Yeah, you and I know this. Joe Biden says he knows those Types. But he hasn't come out with a list.....Ever!

MMC said:

Yeah, you and I know this. Joe Biden says he knows those Types. But he hasn't come out with a list.....Ever!

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So does this gun control mean that the Secret Service will be protecting the president and vice president with cans of mace? That is more than they deserve.

Many of these bills would require universal NICS record checks for all gun sales/transfers (registration?), which sounds quite logical until you think about that for a minute, or so. This is now required for all FFL dealers, but at a considerable cost (passed onto the gun buyer). In other words, everyone selling a gun would then either be required to be a FFL or use one to "certify" (register?) the sale/transfer of that gun. Just as a pawn shop, or auto dealer, is generally a lousy place to sell a used car, a FFL dealer is not going to (and currently does not) provide this "public service" for free. They demand to make about $30 to $50 simply for doing this paperwork, thus this "reasonable restriction" is, in fact, simply a huge tax on all "private" gun sales, but not going into the federal/state/local treasury, but largely into the pocket of a FFL dealer.

RLN said:

• I support background checks on all gun purchases
• I support the White House using retailers and law enforcement agencies to wake up people like Mr. LaPierre for responsible gun ownership.
• And I especially support putting pressure on Congress to coordinate Federal, state and local law enforcement to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally incompetent.

And I believe that the American people support logical gun ownership as well.

Gallup Poll

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Think, before you drink, even Koolaid. You do realize that 90% of gun crime is committed by repeat offenders, those arrested for or convicted of past criminal activity. Please also read my post #9 on this thread.

Gun Control Restricts Those Least Likely to Commit Violent Crimes: Newsroom: The Independent Institute

The Armed Criminal in America

ttwtt78640 said:

Many of these bills would require universal NICS record checks for all gun sales/transfers (registration?), which sounds quite logical until you think about that for a minute, or so. This is now required for all FFL dealers, but at a considerable cost (passed onto the gun buyer). In other words, everyone selling a gun would then either be required to be a FFL or use one to "certify" (register?) the sale/transfer of that gun. Just as a pawn shop, or auto dealer, is generally a lousy place to sell a used car, a FFL dealer is not going to (and currently does not) provide this "public service" for free. They demand to make about $30 to $50 simply for doing this paperwork, thus this "reasonable restriction" is, in fact, simply a huge tax on all "private" gun sales, but not going into the federal/state/local treasury, but largely into the pocket of a FFL dealer.

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This is exactly how I was looking for them to go after it with a Tax or taxes. Besides the common sense rule for those that are mentally handicapped. My question would be since the Public has been shown about the Corruption with L.E.'s and we know of those that are jerks in all fields, and or screw ups. What would make it legal for them to run around with a gun with their occupation and not have them psychologically tested every 3 years. All because they passed some testing 3 years prior. We have seen many that should not even be in such professions but are. Plus have access to a weapon.

MMC said:

This is exactly how I was looking for them to go after it with a Tax or taxes. Besides the common sense rule for those that are mentally handicapped. My question would be since the Public has been shown about the Corruption with L.E.'s and we know of those that are jerks in all fields, and or screw ups. What would make it legal for them to run around with a gun with their occupation and not have them psychologically tested every 3 years. All because they passed some testing 3 years prior. We have seen many that should not even be in such professions but are. Plus have access to a weapon.

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Yep. These congress critters are very[i/] unlikely to simply grant NICS access to the general public, allowing the average J. Q. Citizen to run background checks at the time of a private gun sale/transfer, it must go through "proper channels" and be accompanied by "user fees" (taxes?) and "registration" (gov't paperwork?).

ttwtt78640 said:

Think, before you drink, even Koolaid. You do realize that 90% of gun crime is committed by repeat offenders, those arrested for or convicted of past criminal activity. Please also read my post #9 on this thread.

Gun Control Restricts Those Least Likely to Commit Violent Crimes: Newsroom: The Independent Institute

The Armed Criminal in America

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OK. Past criminal activity? The OP in this thread showed some important elements that I believe would place a tighter rein on "repeat offenders" going to gun shows or making personal gun transactions. If an actual background check is placed, the criminal is going to have to seek less traveled avenues to obtain a gun--any kind of gun.

RLN said:

OK. Past criminal activity? The OP in this thread showed some important elements that I believe would place a tighter rein on "repeat offenders" going to gun shows or making personal gun transactions. If an actual background check is placed, the criminal is going to have to seek less traveled avenues to obtain a gun--any kind of gun.

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The easiest way to buy illegal guns is to pose as a Mexican narcotraficante and buy all the guns you want from the BATF.

RLN said:

OK. Past criminal activity? The OP in this thread showed some important elements that I believe would place a tighter rein on "repeat offenders" going to gun shows or making personal gun transactions. If an actual background check is placed, the criminal is going to have to seek less traveled avenues to obtain a gun--any kind of gun.

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Yep. That dreaded 2% of sales at "gun shows" to criminals will finally be a thing of the past. Personal gun transactions must still be limitted by NICS checks; just how do you propose that to be done? If even requiring a valid, state issued, photo ID is a discriminatory burden for the right to vote, what would you require for gun buyer ID (perhaps a utility bill and SAM's club card?)?

ttwtt78640 said:

Yep. That dreaded 2% of sales at "gun shows" to criminals will finally be a thing of the past.

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2%? Want to try for 40%? PolitiFact

Under the law, federally licensed dealers must verify that a buyer has not been convicted of a serious crime or declared mentally incompetent or is blocked for any of about 10 reasons. Typically this is done online and takes less than a day.

But only licensed dealers must do this. The law doesn’t apply to private sellers at gun shows, flea markets, or people who post firearms for sale on the Internet. If a private seller suspects that a buyer would be disqualified under federal rules, then they can’t go through with the sale. But there is no background check, and no one needs to file any paperwork.

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ttwtt78640 said:

Personal gun transactions must still be limitted by NICS checks; just how do you propose that to be done? If even requiring a valid, state issued, photo ID is a discriminatory burden for the right to vote, what would you require for gun buyer ID (perhaps a utility bill and SAM's club card?)?

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No. They don't even use your examples right now; all they do is give unlicensed dealers cash for guns and walk away.

One of the things that could be done?

Why not take legitimate use of your very own local, licensed gun dealer? For a reasonable fee, the gun dealer can get you the information you need to consummate the sale.

But why is it that you are not bothered by people that can go in to a gun show and buy a gun with an unlicensed dealer with no background check?

RLN said:

2%? Want to try for 40%? PolitiFact



No. They don't even use your examples right now; all they do is give unlicensed dealers cash for guns and walk away.

One of the things that could be done?

Why not take legitimate use of your very own local, licensed gun dealer? For a reasonable fee, the gun dealer can get you the information you need to consummate the sale.

But why is it that you are not bothered by people that can go in to a gun show and buy a gun with an unlicensed dealer with no background check?

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First your PolitiFact source uses this "logic"...

The best information on the informal gun market is based on a survey and is about 15 years old. Current regulations don’t allow direct tallies of sales of this sort. An undercover investigation found a great deal of internet activity, but it was sponsored by a mayor who seeks greater regulation. Groups opposed to greater regulation were asked to rebut the mayor’s assertion and did not respond.

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which is hardly "proof", simply admitting that they can not disprove the assertion, thus making it into a Politi"Fact".

As I said in another post, paying a FFL dealer $30 to $50 to do the paperwork is insane, just as selling a used car via a pawn shop or through a car dealer is very likely to get a lower price for the seller and a higher price from the buyer. Middlemen, public or private, always want a cut.

Why I am not bothered is that possessing or carrying guns is not illegal, except for convicted felons and the criminally insane. By refusing to keep either locked up, the argument is now turned into how to control the uncontollable; the violent criminal actions of convicted felons and criminally insane folks allowed to walk freely among us. My first suggestion is a serious look at sentencing for these violent felony offenses (and at the odds of a conviction, now at less than 33% of those even arrested).

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fssc04.pdf

MMC said:

Would you support all L.E.s should have to have a Psychological evaluation to carry a firearm and hold a Job working for Government too?

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Don't LEOs already work for teh gubmint?
Apparently, a psych eval is an SOP in some places as well.

so, :shrug:

ttwtt78640 said:

First your PolitiFact source uses this "logic"...

which is hardly "proof", simply admitting that they can not disprove the assertion, thus making it into a Politi"Fact".

As I said in another post, paying a FFL dealer $30 to $50 to do the paperwork is insane, just as selling a used car via a pawn shop or through a car dealer is very likely to get a lower price for the seller and a higher price from the buyer. Middlemen, public or private, always want a cut.

Why I am not bothered is that possessing or carrying guns is not illegal, except for convicted felons and the criminally insane. By refusing to keep either locked up, the argument is now turned into how to control the uncontollable; the violent criminal actions of convicted felons and criminally insane folks allowed to walk freely among us. My first suggestion is a serious look at sentencing for these violent felony offenses (and at the odds of a conviction, now at less than 33% of those even arrested).

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fssc04.pdf

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IMHO: Wishing this to go away is no answer. Legitimate, logical gun owners are nothing to be afraid of. I just do not like that a criminal or mentally unstable person can go in to a gun show and purchase a firearm from an unlicensed dealer with no background check.

MMC said:

The White House is reportedly weighing gun-control measures that are broader and more comprehensive than bans on the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.

Measures under consideration by a working group led by Vice President Joe Biden include universal background checks for buyers, strengthened mental health examinations and stiffened penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, sources told The Washington Post.

One source told the newspaper that the White House may try to rally support from gun retailers including Wal-Mart to work around the National Rifle Association.

The vice president said he would call on the law enforcement officials in the group to help in a legislative push against "everything from cop-killer bullets to type of weapons that should be off the street."

White House press secretary Jay Carney last month also outlined concrete recommendations the president was expecting from the working group.

Carney said that in addition to assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips bans, the White House would push a law that required background checks on all gun purchases, even those conducted at gun shows or over the Internet.

Carney added that the president would also call on Congress to "take action to improve coordination between the federal government and state and local law enforcement to keep illegal guns out of the hands of criminals."

Members of the 113th Congress introduced 10 bills on Thursday relating to gun violence, most of which came from Democrats seeking new restrictions on gun ownership.

Read more: Report: White House working group considers broad gun-control measures - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room


Looks Like the Democrats are going to push this issue Despite needing to focus on more important issuse. 10 bills have been introduced since Thursday. Those backing the 2nd Amendment and Weapons Rights. Will All need to come out in force. Pressuring lawmakers and even the press to report this down accurately as the Left will seek to distract over other issues while seeking to go after Weapons.

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Obama wont come for your guns, they said. Obama's not anti-gun, they said.

Simon W. Moon said:

Don't LEOs already work for teh gubmint?
Apparently, a psych eval is an SOP in some places as well.

so, :shrug:

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In some.....but not most. Nor even with Local Cops unless they switching over to like Country for the cushy Court Job or for the State Troopers. I know many Illinois Cops that failed the psych to be a State Cop. Yet they were already Uniform Cops. Some from Chicago and some from the Suburbs. Moreover how many detectives you know that have pretty much free reign to do whatever they want to? Whens the last time you hear about Detectives taking psychs unless in trouble and for going undercover?

Same deal with the Fed and all their L.E.s!

Note County or state.....I am not talking Correctional Facitlities Cops.

Jerry said:

Obama wont come for your guns, they said. Obama's not anti-gun, they said.

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I know that's what they would like some to think. Plus there will be several States Challenging laws as is. Cities like Chicago and NY will always be looking to lead the way.

RLN said:

IMHO: Wishing this to go away is no answer. Legitimate, logical gun owners are nothing to be afraid of. I just do not like that a criminal or mentally unstable person can go in to a gun show and purchase a firearm from an unlicensed dealer with no background check.

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Well then, come up with a system where that sale can include an NICS check, at little or no cost, and I am on board 100%. That seems to be the bottleneck in the process; good honest folks would do so willingly, but will not tolerate being asked to pay $30 to $50 for that "right" to sell/transfer a gun. The problem with any mandate to "register" a gun, or gun sale, is that placing gov't "restrictions" on those sales will be ignored by those that are not honest, and become a huge tax upon those that forced to pay to simply keep, or sell, what they already legally own.

ttwtt78640 said:

Well then, come up with a system where that sale can include an NICS check, at little or no cost, and I am on board 100%. That seems to be the bottleneck in the process; good honest folks would do so willingly, but will not tolerate being asked to pay $30 to $50 for that "right" to sell/transfer a gun. The problem with any mandate to "register" a gun, or gun sale, is that placing gov't "restrictions" on those sales will be ignored by those that are not honest, and become a huge tax upon those that forced to pay to simply keep, or sell, what they already legally own.

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Internet sales and Gun checks will not stop gangs and organized crime from guns and or weapons anyways. What do they think they are stupid and don't use whatever legal means possible and or those that can? One would hope there is not many that could even believe this would have an impact on those criminals that live with such daily.

MMC said:

Internet sales and Gun checks will not stop gangs and organized crime from guns and or weapons anyways. What do they think they are stupid and don't use whatever legal means possible and or those that can? One would hope there is not many that could even believe this would have an impact on those criminals that live with such daily.

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Simple theft is a huge source of criminal's guns, that no law change will likely deter.

Theft of firearms

*Although most thefts of firearms (64%) occurred during household burglaries, a significant percentage (32%) occurred during
larcenies. Loss of firearms through larceny was as likely to occur away from the victim's home as at or near the home. In 53% of the firearm thefts, handguns were stolen.

341,000 incidents of firearm theft occurred per year, 1987-92

Average annual number
of victimizations in which
firearms were stolen
Crime in which ____________________________________
firearm was stolen Total Handgun Other gun
____________________________________

Total 340,700 180,500 160,200

Violent crime 7,900 5,300 2,600
Personal theft 56,200 33,900 22,300
Household theft 52,600 31,700 20,900
Household burglary 217,200 105,300 112,000
Motor vehicle theft 6,700 4,400 2,400

Note: Detail may not add to total because of rounding. The table
measures theft incidents, not numbers of guns stolen. See third
paragraph of this report.

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Quote taken from: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/hvfsdaft.txt