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    Re: Report: White House Working Group Considers BROAD Gun-Control Measures.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Don't LEOs already work for teh gubmint?
    Apparently, a psych eval is an SOP in some places as well.

    so,
    In some.....but not most. Nor even with Local Cops unless they switching over to like Country for the cushy Court Job or for the State Troopers. I know many Illinois Cops that failed the psych to be a State Cop. Yet they were already Uniform Cops. Some from Chicago and some from the Suburbs. Moreover how many detectives you know that have pretty much free reign to do whatever they want to? Whens the last time you hear about Detectives taking psychs unless in trouble and for going undercover?

    Same deal with the Fed and all their L.E.s!

    Note County or state.....I am not talking Correctional Facitlities Cops.

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    Re: Report: White House Working Group Considers BROAD Gun-Control Measures.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Obama wont come for your guns, they said. Obama's not anti-gun, they said.
    I know that's what they would like some to think. Plus there will be several States Challenging laws as is. Cities like Chicago and NY will always be looking to lead the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLN View Post
    IMHO: Wishing this to go away is no answer. Legitimate, logical gun owners are nothing to be afraid of. I just do not like that a criminal or mentally unstable person can go in to a gun show and purchase a firearm from an unlicensed dealer with no background check.
    Well then, come up with a system where that sale can include an NICS check, at little or no cost, and I am on board 100%. That seems to be the bottleneck in the process; good honest folks would do so willingly, but will not tolerate being asked to pay $30 to $50 for that "right" to sell/transfer a gun. The problem with any mandate to "register" a gun, or gun sale, is that placing gov't "restrictions" on those sales will be ignored by those that are not honest, and become a huge tax upon those that forced to pay to simply keep, or sell, what they already legally own.
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    Re: Report: White House Working Group Considers BROAD Gun-Control Measures.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Well then, come up with a system where that sale can include an NICS check, at little or no cost, and I am on board 100%. That seems to be the bottleneck in the process; good honest folks would do so willingly, but will not tolerate being asked to pay $30 to $50 for that "right" to sell/transfer a gun. The problem with any mandate to "register" a gun, or gun sale, is that placing gov't "restrictions" on those sales will be ignored by those that are not honest, and become a huge tax upon those that forced to pay to simply keep, or sell, what they already legally own.
    Internet sales and Gun checks will not stop gangs and organized crime from guns and or weapons anyways. What do they think they are stupid and don't use whatever legal means possible and or those that can? One would hope there is not many that could even believe this would have an impact on those criminals that live with such daily.

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    Re: Report: White House Working Group Considers BROAD Gun-Control Measures.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Internet sales and Gun checks will not stop gangs and organized crime from guns and or weapons anyways. What do they think they are stupid and don't use whatever legal means possible and or those that can? One would hope there is not many that could even believe this would have an impact on those criminals that live with such daily.
    Simple theft is a huge source of criminal's guns, that no law change will likely deter.

    Theft of firearms

    *Although most thefts of firearms (64%) occurred during household burglaries, a significant percentage (32%) occurred during
    larcenies. Loss of firearms through larceny was as likely to occur away from the victim's home as at or near the home. In 53% of the firearm thefts, handguns were stolen.

    341,000 incidents of firearm theft occurred per year, 1987-92

    Average annual number
    of victimizations in which
    firearms were stolen
    Crime in which ____________________________________
    firearm was stolen Total Handgun Other gun
    ____________________________________

    Total 340,700 180,500 160,200

    Violent crime 7,900 5,300 2,600
    Personal theft 56,200 33,900 22,300
    Household theft 52,600 31,700 20,900
    Household burglary 217,200 105,300 112,000
    Motor vehicle theft 6,700 4,400 2,400

    Note: Detail may not add to total because of rounding. The table
    measures theft incidents, not numbers of guns stolen. See third
    paragraph of this report.
    Quote taken from: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/hvfsdaft.txt
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    Report: White House Working Group Considers BROAD Gun-Control Measures.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    The White House is reportedly weighing gun-control measures that are broader and more comprehensive than bans on the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.
    Because the second amendment only covers barrel loaded muskets. (apparently)

    Measures under consideration by a working group led by Vice President Joe Biden include universal background checks for buyers, strengthened mental health examinations and stiffened penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, sources told The Washington Post.
    Oh, so there was never any background checks to buy a gun...

    Anyway, like Rahm Emmanuel said "never let a good crisis go to waste."

    One source told the newspaper that the White House may try to rally support from gun retailers including Wal-Mart to work around the National Rifle Association.

    The vice president said he would call on the law enforcement officials in the group to help in a legislative push against "everything from cop-killer bullets to type of weapons that should be off the street."
    So, where do you buy these "cop killer" bullets... What do those do?? Are those the types of bullets that targets the nearest cop regardless of where it is aimed?

    The only weapons that should be "off the streets" are those weapons in the hands of criminals, the best way to disarm a criminal is with your own equal or better weapons.

    (how come there has never been a mass shooting at an NRA Meeting?)

    White House press secretary Jay Carney last month also outlined concrete recommendations the president was expecting from the working group.

    Carney said that in addition to assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips bans, the White House would push a law that required background checks on all gun purchases, even those conducted at gun shows or over the Internet.

    Carney added that the president would also call on Congress to "take action to improve coordination between the federal government and state and local law enforcement to keep illegal guns out of the hands of criminals."

    Members of the 113th Congress introduced 10 bills on Thursday relating to gun violence, most of which came from Democrats seeking new restrictions on gun ownership.

    Read more: Report: White House working group considers broad gun-control measures - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
    Does anyone ever wonder WHY government is so eager to remove / restrict the right to bare arms??

    Looks Like the Democrats are going to push this issue Despite needing to focus on more important issuse. 10 bills have been introduced since Thursday. Those backing the 2nd Amendment and Weapons Rights. Will All need to come out in force. Pressuring lawmakers and even the press to report this down accurately as the Left will seek to distract over other issues while seeking to go after Weapons.
    Yes, and let's just pretend for a second that there is a gun confiscation, well, there will be a number that refuse... Say 10% of fun owners, then those gun owners will get visits, and say 1% of gun owners fight back against that... Well, your looking at MILLIONS fighting back, that's what we call an army an the start of a civil war.

    It's ok, they will be called "terrorists" and many will applaud the governments efforts to quell the insurrection

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    Re: Report: White House Working Group Considers BROAD Gun-Control Measures.....

    Is that WH planning to attach gun control to the debt ceiling? Otherwise these bills are gonna be DOA in some House sub-committee.....

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    Re: Report: White House Working Group Considers BROAD Gun-Control Measures.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Is that WH planning to attach gun control to the debt ceiling? Otherwise these bills are gonna be DOA in some House sub-committee.....
    Anything going thru the House except for the two bills that republicans have put forth.....should be dead in the water.

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    Re: Report: White House Working Group Considers BROAD Gun-Control Measures.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Looks Like the Democrats are going to push this issue Despite needing to focus on more important issuse. 10 bills have been introduced since Thursday. Those backing the 2nd Amendment and Weapons Rights. Will All need to come out in force. Pressuring lawmakers and even the press to report this down accurately as the Left will seek to distract over other issues while seeking to go after Weapons.
    So why isn't there anything on proper storage of firearms?

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